Info needed for a new pendulum

The floor clock pendulums on this page are for post 1960 mechanical German clock movements only. To get the proper clock pendulum for your clock, you would need the movement numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself. Not off of the paperwork, not off of the wood case, but off of the clockworks itself. Then with this information we can determine the manufacturer of the movement and then also the length the pendulum needs to be. In fact a few things we need, who the manufacturer is, the CM length, how wide the inside of the clock case is so we can get the right bob size.

Clock Pendulums

How to order a new pendulum

The manufacturer for German movements will most likely be one of the four listed below. When you know the manufacturer, you can goto the dropdown list below and select the CM length and bob diameter of the style pendulum you would like. The CM length is stamped on the back plate and represents the length of the pendulum from tip to tip, the leader it hangs on, and the suspension spring that the leader hangs on, all added together in centimeter measurement. Then to figure out the bob diameter, this is the round disk at the bottom of the pendulum and it needs about 2 inches on each side to swing around in the case without bonking the sides of the clock case. This means the actual clock pendulums length itself will be much shorter than this CM measurement.

MOVEMENT # EXAMPLES + WHO MADE IT

Hermle

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  • 141-030 55cm
  • 340-020
  • 350-060
  • 1051-030 55cm
  • 451-050 85cm
  • 1161-853 94cm
  • 1161-850 114cm

Kieninger

Kieninger Logo

  • 75 R 116cm
  • 83 K 93cm
  • 85 P 65cm
  • 78 K 116cm
  • 84 SK 116cm
  • 78 J 65cm
  • 85 HK 116cm

Urgos

  • UW32342
  • UW03022
  • UW32/1
  • UW32001
  • UM3/15
  • UW32/45
  • UW03083

Seth Thomas

  • (Hermle/Kieninger)
  • A205-000
  • A401-001
  • A403-007
  • A403-020
  • A451-002

Jauch

Jauch Clock Movement
  • 77
  • 78
  • PL110
  • PL(anything)
  • PL61cm
  • PL116cm

Mason & Sullivan

Mason & Sullivan



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  • (Hermle/Kieninger)
  • 3200X
  • 3224X
  • 3261X
  • 3286X
  • 3334X

Urgos Lyre pendulum issue

Before ordering a metal lyre pendulum, please understand that the Urgos pendulums have not been made in 20 plus years. What would be happening is you would be getting a Hermle pendulum that will fit your movement. This would be custom made to adapt to your clock. We will have to cut the hook off of the top of the movement and rivet on a new top hook. This will be noticeable off of the clock but not on the clock. Only the top portion that hooks to your pendulum leader will be different. Please understand that we will do our best to guess what length to make this pendulum but there is a chance that the pendulum would need to be shortened or made longer beyond the adjustment of the threads of the rating nut. This means you may have to cut the leader and make it shorter or the top of the pendulum if you need to make the clock pendulum shorter to speed up time and make the timing accurate. It will be helpful also if you can email a picture of the bottom of the pendulum leader that the pendulum is supposed to hang on. We need to be sure we adapt the correct top hook on the pendulum to hook to this part.

Decoding Seth Thomas and Mason Sullivan

Issue to solve here is both these manufacturers did not give indication on the ideal length of the pendulum where the movement keeps time on the back plate of the movement. This is true for post 1960 German Seth Thomas and Mason Sullivan as they did not make their own movements pendulums. You would need to follow the link and find out the true manufacturer. So its kind of a process, you need to click the link that says "GoTo Page" below, find the right movement number and CM length and then come back to this page and order the pendulum for the true manufacturer. Or forget all this and just give us a call 800 381 7458 with the numbers you have off of the back plate.

Decoding Urgos movement numbers

The Urgos clock movements also do not give indication of the pendulum length on back plate either. And it gets even trickier as many of the numbers have a new numbering system to replace the old. So here is the process for figuring out the correct pendulum length. First get the numbers off of the clock movements back plate. Then goto the Urgos clock movement page by clicking "GoTo Page" below. Use the drop down order list to see what is the CM length of your movement number. If your number is not there you will need to follow the directions on that same page to convert to the new number and try the dropdown list again to get the CM length. Then finally come back to this page and continue with the ordering of the pendulum.


Lyre Clock Pendulum

Large Lyre Pendulum

The longer metal lyre pendulums with a larger bob, have twisted rods instead of straight. This is the way the pendulum comes if it is ordered for a 94cm and longer PL length is chosen, with a 8.5 and 10.5 bob diameter. In other words, the larger the lyre pendulum the more fancy they are with there design. There are all polished brass style. Center embossing on the pendulum bob is available on some units as well, please inquire via email to clockworks@clockworks.com

To get the proper pendulum for your movement you will need the CM length off of the back plate of the clock movement itself as described above.

Clock Pendulums

Pendulums Complete

  • Metal Lyre

    This is on the left side on the picture. This is a polished brass style grid metal lyre pendulum for 85cm and shorter movement lengths. The longer lengths usually look like the other picture with the twisted rods.
  • Brass Rod

    The brass rod has the top mounting hook and also the threaded bottom with its nut to regulate the timing. The bob with it chosen diameter will go onto the bottom threaded rod and the rating nut under it.
  • Wood Stick

    The wood stick will come unstained. This is so the stick can be stained the proper color to match the clock case. The wood stick pendulum consists of the stick with the hardware and also the bob in the diameter chosen. The good thing about wood stick pendulums is they can be shortened if needed.
Clock Pendulum Bob

Pendulum Bobs / Sticks

A pendulum bob is the round disk at the bottom of the pendulum. The diameter is the measurement from one side to the other. To select the proper bob size you would need to know the inside width of the clock case. You should have at least 2 inches on each side of the pendulum bob so it can swing in the case without hitting the sides. We have some wood sticks available also and there in the drop down list with the bobs. The wood sticks would have to be cut to length depending on your needs, or we have the pendulums complete and assembled with the bob. For this you would need the movement numbers off of the back plate and get a wood stick pendulum complete from below.


Hermle Hermle Clock Pendulum
Metal Lyre
Wood Stick
Brass Rod

Kieninger Hermle Clock Pendulum
Metal Lyre
Wood Stick
Brass Rod

Urgos Hermle Clock Pendulum
Metal Lyre
Wood Stick
Brass Rod Not Available

Jauch Hermle Clock Pendulum
Metal Lyre Not Available
Wood Stick
Brass Rod Not Available

Clock Pendulums Mixed Bobs

We offer the above clock pendulums bobs with various patterns. These are for mantle movements with the F-S regulator that you can adjust the timing. This is because there is no rating assembly to adjust the timing.

Item #PD10 - $9

Clock Pendulums Adjustable Bob

This pendulum bob is threaded on the bottom with a rating nut for easy timing of the clock. This can be used on mantle clocks as well as certain wall clocks such as a banjo. Measurement is the diameter of the bob.

Item #PD5 - $13

Clock Pendulums Grape Leaf

Gold tone brass pendulum with leaf decorations on the top of the pendulum bob. Seven inches in length and has a 2 1/2 inch diameter bob that weighs 3.5 ounces. Used with some modern wall and 31 day clocks.

Item #PD28 - $20

Clock Pendulums Adjustable Pendulum

Popular brass pendulum style for antique clock movements such as Ansonia. Bob is 35mm in diameter and weighs two ounces. The top of the pendulum has the oblong hole as the mounting style

Item #PD22 - $22


Clock Pendulums Adjustable Mantle Bob

This is a 1 5/8 diameter 2.8oz adjustable mantle clock pendulum bob. This is the bob needed if there is no F / S regulator on the front of the clock dial that takes the skinny end of the key. This can be used in place of a F / S regulator as well if finding the right key is not easy. This is on a slider to regulate the time.

Item #PD20 - $9

Clock Pendulums R + A Style

R and A style clock pendulum with a hook top and the rating assembly on the bottom to regulate the time. The R and A stand for Retard or Advance as the time keeping is controlled by the rating nut on the bottom of the bob.

Item #PD44

Clock Pendulums Kitchen Pendulum

Pendulum with a hole top mount for kitchen or gingerbread style clocks. This is a 7 inch pendulum from tip to tip. This would hook to a modified long suspension C from the pendulum parts page.

Item #PD14

Clock Pendulums Universal Pendulum

This pendulum can be used for many clocks. The clock pendulum parts rating nut can be removed completely if needed and it can just be adjusted shorter with the set screw on the back. Just cut the rod shorter to what is needed.

Item #PD18


Getting pendulum when there is no CM or PL stamp on the movement

When you need a pendulum for a clock, the first thing is to look at the back plate of the clock movement for the numbers stamped into it. There should be, in most cases, an indication of how long the pendulum should be to keep approximate time, if it is a German made movement. Providing it’s of German origin, it will usually have a CM length or a PL length. CM stands for centimeters and PL stands for pendulum length. Usually the Germans measure this length from the top of the clock movement, and this includes the three components of the pendulum all in one length in centimeters. This length will include the pendulum itself, the leader that it hooks to, and the suspension spring on the top that the leader hooks on to, all in one CM measurement.

When the movement does not give any indication of the pendulum length on the back plate, it is possible, sometimes, to convert the numbers. Modern (post 1960) Seth Thomas or Mason and Sullivan are examples of two companies who did not include the pendulum length as a stamp on the back plate when using their numbering system. Neither of these companies, in modern times, made any of their movements. Instead, they purchased a large quantity of movements from another company and were allowed to use their own number system on the back plate. This is why there is no indication of the pendulum length. In these instances, we can convert their numbering system to the real manufacturer's numbers which would include the pendulum length.

If the movement has no numbers on the back plate at all, or if there is no known conversion, the best style of pendulum that you can get is a wood stick pendulum. This is the only style of pendulum that can be easily modified. These types of clocks are usually antiques, or of Asian origin, and information such as pendulum length is just simply not available. In this case, the only thing to do is make an educated guess on where the manufacturer intended to have the bob swing back and forth and create a pendulum to that measurement.

To do this, measure from the bottom of where your imaginary pendulum bob would be in the case up to the leader that the pendulum is to hang on. Take this measurement and add approximately an inch or two. This will give you the longest possible length that the pendulum would be in the clock. So now with the longest possible length known, get a wood stick in the length you just measured, as well as a top hook that looks like it will attach, or be modified to attach, to the leader.

Also, from that same link, you can purchase a new bob, if you need one. To get the proper bob size, measure the inside width of your clock case and subtract 4 inches from that measurement. That measurement would be the largest bob size that you could order without worrying about the bob hitting the sides of the case. If you want to go smaller than that measurement, then that is fine too.

Once you receive your new pendulum components, you can now put it together, install it, and see how the clock runs. Remember, the pendulum is going to be at its longest possible length. The longer the pendulum, the slower the time will be. If the clock is running too slow, even after adjusting the bob, you can shorten the stick until the clock is close to keeping the correct time. Start off by shortening the wood stick by an inch and a half, put all of the components back on the pendulum and see how the clock runs with the new adjustment. If it is still too slow, remove the components again and cut off a half of an inch or an inch. This is the procedure to follow until you get the pendulum to the correct length so that the clock keeps the correct time.

How to shape a brass wire pendulum crutch

This note is to help with the shaping of a antique American time strike movement (two winders). Also this is for the front escapement verge assortment we offer will have to be shaped to fit the clock properly in a way it can hit the pendulum back and forth and keep the momentum going on the pendulum.

The top part of the unit is called the verge and the brass rod that hangs down from it is called the crutch. The length of the crutch should be close to the original length of the one that it is replaced with. It does not have to be exact, but close. The crutch simply gets cut to the approximate length and then gets bent into shape on the end. The shape should be an oval loop that the pendulum’s steel suspension rod travels through and in turn gets whacked back and forth by the crutch. So to bend the crutch to be an oval shape, it would be bent at a right angle pointed outward from the movement and then looped back toward the movement, and then close the loop so it’s almost a complete oval loop. It would be a closed oval as to not let the pendulum rod out of the loop when running or being moved.


Stick Pend Assembly

The wood stick pendulums do not always come assembled as many times it may be required on the customer end to shorten the length to their needs.

1. Drill the pilot hole. To assemble this pendulum first you drill a pilot hole in one end of the wood stick and then thread in the threads with the rating nut on it into the hole you drilled. You would take the rating nut off of the threads and then use some pliers to twist the threaded rod into the wood.

shorten the length to their needs.

2. Insert the bob. The bob is the round disk that goes onto the end of the pendulum stick on the threaded rod that was just installed. The bob has two holes on the back, slide the wood stick in with its threaded rod from the big hole on the top down and through the smaller hole on the bottom. So when this is done you have the stick going into the top of the bob and the threaded rod hanging down below the bob. Now you just put the rating nut back on the threaded rod under the pendulum bob and screw it upward some to about the middle of the threaded portion, and slide the bob down on top of it. This is how the clock is adjusted to keep proper time, if the clock is slow than the rating nut will be turned to raise the pendulum bob some.

3. Mount the top hook. The top hook mounts to the other end of the stick with the hook facing the opposite side of the shiny bob. So the hook will point to the back of the movement in other words. This top hook has tabs you can bend over with the pliers, usually the hook gets placed on the top of the wood stick and both the tabs on each side can be squashed inward as to create a good friction fit so the hook will not slide off.


Solving pendulum timing issues

Timing issues are always about the clocks pendulum length. It does not matter too much about how much weight is on the clock, or anything else besides the length of the pendulum and what length pendulum the clock is geared to keep time. So notice on the back plate of the movement what the numbers say, it should say something like 85cm or 94cm if it’s a pendulum run German clock movement. Since most mechanical clocks are German, this is a good thing to explain. So the CM length that is stamped on the back plate represents the theoretical pendulum length from the top of the movement all the way down to the bottom of the pendulums rating nut threads. This measurement includes the pendulum tip to tip, the pendulum leader hanger that it hangs on, and the suspension spring on the very top where the leader hangs from. All three of these components in one measurement should be somewhere around the CM length stamped on the back plate of the movement.

This measurement will vary greatly depending on the weight of the pendulum. So if the pendulum has a very wide pendulum bob, the length of the pendulum will be longer than the CM length on the back plate, opposite for a very small diameter pendulum bob. This measurement may vary a lot. To give an example, a 94cm Hermle movement could have a pendulum length of 32 inches for the pendulum alone, tip to tip, off of the clock, if the bob diameter is 4 inches wide. The same 94cm Hermle movement could have a pendulum length of 38 inches tip to tip off of the clock if the bob is 10 ½ inches wide. You see there is about a 6 inch variance from 4 inch to a 10 ½ inch pendulum bob diameter.

Timing an older existing pendulum movement.

If the clock kept time in the past and has somehow stopped keeping proper time beyond the adjustments of the pendulum, it is time for a new movement. If the clock is running fast where before it always kept good time, this means the escape wheel is worn and it is advancing more than one tooth at a time. The escape wheel alone would be hard to find, and hard to replace as the entire movement would be disassembled to replace this.

The cost of having someone do this for you would be the same price as a new movement. There is no such thing as having a repair on a clock movement being better than a new movement and the price would be about the same. Often enough the new movement would be less money than a repair. I have had people get quoted $1000 to overhaul a movement in a repair shop, when the exact same movement we sell brand new for $299. This is not to say a person is getting “taken advantage of” or anything like this, it’s just time consuming and problematic to overhaul a movement. Perhaps the wrong question to ask upon entering a clock shop is “can you repair this movement?” Instead, they should ask for a quote on a new movement instead. Of course clock repair centers know how to clean and repair clocks, and not necessarily are familiar with the market of new clock movements still in production. After all, they are on the repair end and not the retail end of things usually. So what all this means is to first see if the clock movement is in production and available new instead of having it overhauled. We do this by getting the numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself, right off of the brass, then email this information to us at clockworks@clockworks.com and we will check availability and quote you. If the movement is not in production anymore, then a repair is your only option.