1161 Hermle Clock Movement

1161 Hermle Clock MovementMVT NotesHermle IdentificationWhat Happened?Other Names UsedWhy order a new movement?

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1161 Hermle Clock Movement Notes

The 1161 Hermle Clock Movement Notes is written for information about the clock you own. These movements are great that is why there is so many made. They work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. So here is some information on these fine German made units.

Names on the Movement

The name maybe a number of makers on the movement, but it was made by Hermle not them. It may say Howard Miller, or Ridgeway, or Sligh, or many other names. If the number on the clock movement starts with 1161- its really made by the Hermle company. They let these companies to have there name on the movement instead of Hermle.

Chain or Cable Drive

This movement was made in both cable driven and also chain driven styles. The 1161-853 is the most popular and the most produced Grandfather clock movement in the world. When ordering a new movement it will come with the chains or cables with the pulleys.

Hermle movement 1161-853 Clock Weights

This clock movement takes three clock weights to run. The weights should be close to 8 or 10lbs, and does not have to be exact. Even though it does not have to be the exact weight, here is the exact weight specification from the factory. If the pendulum bob is less than 8 1/2 inches wide, it will take two at 7.7LBS and one at 9.9LBS. If the pendulum bob is 8 1/2 inches in diameter or larger, it takes two weights at 9.9LBS and one at 7.7LBS. Often they will have a 10 1/2 inch bob with the two at 7.7 and one at 9.9 and the customer says it ran 30 years like that.

Weight Placement

The placement for the clock weights on this series is the following. The heavy weight will go on your right as you face the clock if one heavy and two light. If you have two heavy weights and one light weight, the light one will go on your left as you face the clock. So what this means is the middle time train weight is variable light or heavy depending on pendulum bob diameter.

1161 Hermle Clock Movement Songs

This is a triple chime unit that plays out a melody on the quarter hours and then on the top of the hour it will strike out whatever times the hour is. The songs this one plays are your choice of the following. Westminster, Saint Micheal, or Wittington and also a silent option. For an additional cost is it able to have an auto night shut off switch (ANSO), this will make the clock quiet from 10pm to 7am on its own without your intervention.

The Support

Please note the factory will give you three years for the warranty. However we are clock makers here at Clockworks.com and we have been doing this sort of thing for a long time in this family (over 100 years of experience). If you have some sort of question or concern in whatever amount of time, we are not going to turn you down in response, we answer whatever questions you have even a decade later, it really does not matter. We take care of our customers in whatever way we can. The movement comes with instructions and any questions beyond the instructions can be emailed, chatted, or called in.

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Hermle Clock Movement Identification

Identification is done with the numbers on the back plate of the Hermle clock movement. Not from the manual that came with the clock, and not off the wood case. On the back plate of the clock movement you will see the numbers such as 451-050 94cm. These numbers let us know everything we need to know about the mechanical clock movement itself. This tells us if its weight driven, the plate size, and every other aspect of the movement.

When the numbers are matched, the new movement can be ordered. The new movement will be the exact same and not a knock off. Therefore all of your existing clock components will fit just the same a it did.

As discussed in a different section, the new movement is the way to go without a doubt. The new unit is a fraction of the price of an overhaul on the old one. You will have the clock back and running in the shortest time instead of waiting months and sometimes years for the overhaul to be completed. The movement will last another 30 years without much complaint, you cant say this about an old one that was restored.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Issues

Mechanical Clock Movement Issues arise after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best disguised Aliases

Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm

New Mechanical Movement Reasons

New Mechanical Movement Reasons to get the new one when we can just repair the old one? The reason is because it is still in production. Its still made in mass production in Germany, so this means its available for a lot less cost. Even the best repair job from the best repair professional, cannot make it as good as a new one.

New Mechanical Movement Reasons are because it can ship from USA the same day you order it. The time it takes you to get you're clock up and running is very short. A repair can usually take months and then you are still left with a used overhauled movement rather than a new one.

When you receive a new movement it is the same as you're old movement. All clock component parts such as weights will fit on to the new movement. The cost of a new movement is less and when it's installed it should last another 25-30 years without intense service. Over the years, if there is improvements that can be done on the movement, the factory updates them. We here at Clockworks offer only the highest grade mechanical clock movements and they come with a 2 year warranty.


The new unit will cost less and ship now. It will be far better in every way than getting the old one restored. You will have a new movement in days instead of the used one back in months.

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Hermle Clock Movement

The numbers on the back plate of the 1161 Hermle Clock Movement is everything one needs to get a replacement. If the numbers match then the 1161 Hermle Clock Movement matches. Please sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.

Hermle Clock Movement
Assistance = 800-381-7458

  • Brand New and Original
  • Plate size 120 x 120mm
  • Chain or Cable Driven
  • Triple Chime
  • 1161 Hermle Clock Movement
1161 Hermle Clock Movement
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

1161 Hermle Clock Movement

1161-853 Hermle Clock Movement

1161-853 Movement

  • 94, 100, 114CM Pendulum
  • Hand shaft 53.2mm
  • 12 Hammer back
  • ANSO is +$50
  • ANSO = Auto Night Shut Off
Front Side Back
1161-853: $458.00$488.00
1161-850 Hermle Clock Movement

1161-850 Movement

  • 94, 114CM Pendulum
  • Hand shaft 33.2mm
  • 12 Hammer back
  • ANSO = Auto Night Shut Off
Front Side Back
1161-850: $458.00
1161-053 Hermle Clock Movement

1161-053 Movement

  • 94, 114CM Pendulum
  • Hand shaft 53.2mm
  • 12 Hammer back
  • Chain Driven
Front Side Back
1161-053: $428.00

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.

If Not Listed

If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.