241 Hermle Clock Movement

Clock Movement 241Movement Notes241-040 Availability241-070 AvailabilityAbout HermleWhat Happened?Why get a new Hermle?Other Names Used

241-080 and other Hermle Clock Movement 241 units are described on these tabs.

Hermle 241 clock movement

Hermle 241 clock movement is a compact chain driven, two weight movement. This unit runs eight days on a single wind up and comes as a pendulum movement only. It is a nice clock for smaller floor clock models and works well in a shaker style case. It can also be used in wall clock cases such as a wag on the wall or Vienna style clock.

The movement

Chains, hand nut, leader and suspension spring are included with the clock movement. Weights, pendulum, dail, hands or chimeblock sold separately. This page is for the Hermle 241 clock movement alone as a replacement or to piece together a clock kit.

The installation

A simple clock movement to work with and is easy to swap out a worn out old unit. Once the hands and dial are off, things get easy. Two screws underneath the movement is all that is holding it in the clock case. There is only to get the weights and pendulum out of the way, there is two screws to deal with. Installation of course is just the reverse, comes with instructions for a couple set up steps and your done. If there is any road blocks during this simple process just contact us with your questions. We have been clock makers and clock repairmen for 100 years in this family. We can help long after the factory warranty is gone with your questions or if you need parts.

The speed

The speed of going from a broken clock to a working new movement is the shortest possible route. The alternate route is to have the movement overhauled. However this requires twice the price of the new one, and you will get back a used movement in 1 to 2 months later. The choice is pretty clear to just get the new unit and be done with the project. The movement will last another 25 years for less cost and quick. We ship everyday so it will go out the same day or the next business day from MA USA.

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241-070 and 241-040 No longer made

Clock movement 241-070 and 241-040 is no longer available. These two weight, chain driven units were very popular in the clock world but they are now obsolete.

What to do?

We can restore the clock movement for you. However this is expensive and you would still be left with an old movement. It will cost around $500 and we will clean oil bush and polish the pivots. Test it and ship it back in about a month or two. This would be the best way to get the clock running if there was no alternative.

The best alternative

There is a clock movement in the 241 series that can be adapted to fit. The closest equivalent to that movement would be the Hermle 241-080. The only difference with this unit compared to your old unit is it will come with a bell on the top. This is instead of having a coil gong (or bells) on the back side of the movement. So you would remove the coil gong from the clock case because it no longer need it. This new 241-080 Hermle clock movement will come with chains, hand nut, leader, and suspension spring.

Bell Strike

The new unit also comes with a bell on top included and installed, so now the clock will have a bell strike clock instead of a gong strike clock. The clock weights and pendulum and clock hands will all the same as it was and these parts will work on the clock.

The bell strike sounds nice, it is more popular compared to the coil gong.

It is still best to get the new Clock movement 241-070 and 241-040 instead of chasing the old one. To have the old one overhauled instead would cost 2-3 times the price of the new one, and would still not last 25-30 years like the new one would. You get a brand new unit instead of a shined up old unit for a fraction of the price. Comes with instructions and support from a family with 100 years of clock making and clock repairing.

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Clock movement 241-070 Conversion

The obsolete 241-070 two bell back unit can be replaced with the 241-080 one bell top clock movement. Instead of the bell or bells on the back of the movement it will now be on the top. The one bell top unit is the same in every other way. The plate size to part compatibility and so forth is the same, so its the best alternate unit. This means your clock weights and pendulum, dial, hands, mounts will all be the same.

The 241-070 was a popular unit for many years. It is a good thing there is something that makes a new unit, regardless of the bell location. The pendulum length most popular for the 241-070 was 94cm. This was measured from the top of the unit to the very bottom of the rating nut threads. This length is not stocked in the 94cm for 241-080 series but we make it up special. We take new gears we have here and swap them out in the new movement. These gears are in the time train and create the pendulum length where the clock will keep approximate time. So it is listed as an option on the drop down list but with a fee included in the price. The regear of the movement to match up with your old and hence be able to use the pendulum in its current length.

Conclusion

Conversion from old to new is still able to be done, despite the 241-070's obsolete status. The conversion only makes the clock movement have a bell on top instead of on the back. It is already oiled and comes with instructions for installation. Installation is easy on this series as its only held in with two screws underneath the clock movement. These screws go up into the pillar posts. The pillar posts on the bottom of the unit have threaded holes. Conversion from the 241-070 clock movement to the 241-080 is fast and simple.

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About Hermle Clock Movements

Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it restored like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. So what happens is you get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, you get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. You will save hundreds of dollars doing it also.

 
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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the brass plates of the movement. So, when this happens, the clock movement will not run correctly. This is when the movement will need a cleaning or be replaced. Of course, a brand new movement is always your best option.

What wear and where

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one. However, once the movement starts having problems due to the oblong pivot holes, something will need to be done. The clock will never stay running otherwise.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produces clock movements but the use of aliases is quite prevalent. The movement could have a stamp with any name but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many movements that they were able to get their name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best Aliases in Disguise

Seth Thomas and Mason and Sullivan had not only their name, but also their own internal numbering system. Their stamp and number was on the movement instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to have a conversion to the real number. Correspondingly, this is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

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241 Hermle Clock Movement

To get a replacement 241 Hermle Clock Movement all you need are the numbers off of the back plate.

If the numbers match then the 241 Hermle Clock Movement matches. If the clock is a pendulum unit, be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.

241 Hermle Clock Movement
Assistance = 800-381-7458


  • 33mm or 27mm Hand shaft
  • Included Leader
  • Bim Bam or bell Strike
  • Chain Driven
  • Comes Oiled
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Ships same day as ordered
  • Hermle of Germany Made

241-030 Hermle clock movement

241-030

  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • 3 Hammer Side
  • Bim Bam Strike
  • Chain Driven
Front Side Back
241-030Clock: $195.00$239.00
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241-033 Hermle clock movement

241-033

  • 53.2mm Hand shaft
  • 3 Hammer Side
  • Bim Bam Strike
  • Chain Driven
Front Side Back
241-033: $195.00$240.00
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241-080 Hermle clock movement

241-080

  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • 1 Hammer Top
  • Bell Strike
  • Chain Driven
Front Side Back
241-080: $240.00$270.00
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241-840 Hermle clock movement

241-840 = 241-870

  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • 1 Hammer Back
  • Takes a #8 Crank
  • Cable Driven
  • Cables & Pulleys Inluded
Front Side Back Explode
241-840: $233.00$273.00
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241-843 Hermle clock movement

241-843

  • 53.2mm Hand shaft
  • 1 Hammer Back
  • Takes a #8 Crank
  • Cable Driven
  • Cables & Pulleys Inluded
Front Side Back Explode
241-843: $263.00$299.00
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241-081 Hermle clock movement

241-081 75cm

  • 27.2mm Hand shaft
  • 1 Hammer Top
  • Bell Strike
  • Chains Included
Front Side Side Back
241-081/75: $199.00

Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Above all, a Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains the proper clock movement. This is an important first step when ordering a new clock movement. Thus, Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers. Then a dash (-) follows and then some more numbers. For example: 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and so forth. So, if the clock says something like 1161-053 drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. Then this will bring up the page where the 1161-053 is as well as the rest of the 1161 series.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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If Not Listed

If the old Hermle clock movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we may be able to create it out of what exists. However, we need to know the movement number. So please email your movement number. Of course a picture of the back plate is also helpful. Moreover, if your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers it may be made by someone else. Additionally, the mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. In any event, this is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only.