461 Hermle Clock Movement

Clock Movement 461MVT NotesHermle IdentificationWhat Happened?Why New?Other Names Used

Hermle Clock Movement 461 series, such as 461-853. Information on these units can be viewed on these tabs.

461 Hermle Clock Movement

The Hermle 461 series clock movement is either chain or cable driven, three weight, Westminster chime unit. It is the same movement as the 1161 series, but Westminster only instead of triple chime. In other words it plays one song instead of three. But really, people with triple chime clocks only listen to Westminster in the end because it sounds the best. The 461-853 is the most used of this series and is the most produced 461 also.

The movement

What is being offered on this web page is the 461 series clock movement only with out the pendulum, chimeblock or dail. These movement come as the movement itself with its hand nut and new chains or cables, also comes with the suspension spring and leader.

The support

We been working on clocks for 100 years in this family. If you get stuck, just as for help. In fact it does not matter if its 10 years from now, if you have questions, ask them by all means. The warranty on this movement from the factory is 3 years.

The speed

To get a clock movement overhauled can seem like forever. Besides costing 3 times the amount of money as the new one, it can also take months to finish. When its done you get a working used movement back and hope it works. Not with the new one! Ships today, already oiled, instructions to put it in, no knock offs it is the same unit, the choice is obvious. The new one will come with the cables and pulleys already installed, or the chains depending on what one, its already oiled and ready to go.

  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

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Hermle Clock Movement Identification

Identification is done with the numbers on the back plate of the Hermle clock movement. Not from the manual that came with the clock, and not off the wood case. On the back plate of the clock movement you will see the numbers such as 451-050 94cm. These numbers let us know everything we need to know about the mechanical clock movement itself. This tells us if its weight driven, the plate size, and every other aspect of the movement.

When the numbers are matched, the new movement can be ordered. The new movement will be the exact same and not a knock off. Therefore all of your existing clock components will fit just the same a it did.

As discussed in a different section, the new movement is the way to go without a doubt. The new unit is a fraction of the price of an overhaul on the old one. You will have the clock back and running in the shortest time instead of waiting months and sometimes years for the overhaul to be completed. The movement will last another 30 years without much complaint, you cant say this about an old one that was restored.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Issues

Mechanical Clock Movement Issues arise after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

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New Mechanical Movement Reasons

New Mechanical Movement Reasons to get the new one when we can just repair the old one? The reason is because it is still in production. Its still made in mass production in Germany, so this means its available for a lot less cost. Even the best repair job from the best repair professional, cannot make it as good as a new one.

New Mechanical Movement Reasons are because it can ship from USA the same day you order it. The time it takes you to get you're clock up and running is very short. A repair can usually take months and then you are still left with a used overhauled movement rather than a new one.

When you receive a new movement it is the same as you're old movement. All clock component parts such as weights will fit on to the new movement. The cost of a new movement is less and when it's installed it should last another 25-30 years without intense service. Over the years, if there is improvements that can be done on the movement, the factory updates them. We here at Clockworks offer only the highest grade mechanical clock movements and they come with a 2 year warranty.

Conclusion

The new unit will cost less and ship now. It will be far better in every way than getting the old one restored. You will have a new movement in days instead of the used one back in months.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best disguised Aliases

Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm

461 Hermle Clock Movement

The numbers on the back plate of the 461 Hermle Clock Movement is everything one needs to get a replacement. If the numbers match then the movement matches. Please be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.


Hermle Clock Movement
Assistance = 800-381-7458


  • Brand New and Original
  • Plate Size 140 x 200mm
  • Chain or Cable Drive
  • Westminster Chime
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

461 Hermle Clock Movement

461-053 Hermle clock movement

461-053 Movement

  • 94, 114cm Pendulum
  • 53.2mm Hand shaft
  • 8 Hammer Back
  • Chain Driven
  • Plate Size 140 x 200mm
Front Side Back
Clear
461-053: $413.00
461-853 Hermle clock movement

461-853 Movement

  • 94, 114cm Pendulum
  • 53.2mm Hand shaft
  • Takes a #8 crank
  • Plate Size 140 x 200mm
  • Cable Driven
Front Side Back
Clear
461-853: $443.00$449.00
461-850 Hermle clock movement

461-850 Movement

  • 94, 114cm Pendulum
  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • Takes a #8 crank
  • Plate Size 140 x 200mm
  • Cable Driven
Front Side Back
Clear
461-850: $443.00


Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.

If Not Listed

If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.