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Hermle 132-071 clock movement
Hermle 132-071 clock movement is now equipped with a Swiss platform escapement. The quality of this escapement is much improved from the past and easier to time than ever. This ships bell strike clock movement is the only one in production in today's world. There is no other ships bell clock movement in either mechanical or quartz other than this one. Its just as well, as this one is a very good unit and is compact and high quality.
About the 132-071
The 132-071 clock movement has outer plates 90mm wide, its spring driven, runs eight days on a single wind up of the springs. This one often said Seth Thomas on it, but when it says that its after the Seth Thomas USA name has been sold. So its really a Hermle clock movement of Germany instead of Seth Thomas making the clock. Seth Thomas maybe who put the clock together and brought it to market, its just not made by ST themselves. So I guess you would say both are true, Seth Thomas made it and also Hermle made it depending on if talking about the clock or the mechanics within the clock.
These types of clocks were used in two different ways, bell strike and gong strike. If you order a new movement, it will come as a bell strike and will include the bells. If you rather stay with the gong instead, its only one screw to remove the bell from the new unit. You then bend the hammer out so it will hit the gong instead.
Swapping the 132-071
Removal and installation on this unit is pretty simple and people do not have trouble with this one typically. The minute hand comes off by holding the minute hand while turning its nut to the left. Next the hour hand comes off by friction fit, twist and pull toward you. The dial is next with a couple screws, then you can see the dial blind plate with another couple screws. When these are removed flip the clock upside down the movement will drop out into hands.
We also offer the movement with the dial and the hands, to use this unit on the Schatz Royal Mariner movement that is no longer in production. The Schatz unit is not available and this unit is very close, however the winding arbors are in different places, so this is why the new dial. The hands will need to be changed also for this conversion.
Timing clock movement 132-071
The 132-071 has a platform escapement. This means is it has a balance wheel rather than a pendulum. When adjusting the timing lever it pushes or pulls the hairspring on the balance wheel. This manipulates the speed of the balance wheel oscillations and therefore the speed of the time. It is done with the lever that sticks out of the dial face. If moving the lever more to the plus side, it will speed up time.
Why the need to time the 132-071
This lever or arm sticking out of the dial slot is able to move up or down to adjust the timing. The factory had it keep perfect time when the arm was in the middle of this slot. This is intended to stick straight out in the middle of the slot in the dial, in between the + and - symbols. It would not surprising if this moved some in shipping and have to adjust the timing a little. It may be best to adjust this arm and start in the dead center. If the clock is slow, move the arm slightly to the + and do the opposite if it is running fast.
If the 132-071 will not time
Timing clock movement 132-071 platform balance escapement can sometimes require to go beyond the limit of the dial slot. If it is at the end of its slot and you cannot go any further, do the following.
- The hands get removed to get them out of the way. First the minute hand comes off by holding the hand still and turning the nut to the left. Then the hour hand comes off, twist and pull
- Remove the screws to take off the dial, it will only be 3-4 flat head screws.
- Remove the movement by taking out another 3-4 screws.
- Flip the clock upside down and the movement will fall out into hands.
- Notice the lever used to manipulate the time, this is the lever that was sticking out of the dial slot.
- Next move the time lever to where ever it will keep approximate time.
- Loosen the set screw and move the lever to the middle of the slot area, and then tighten the screw again.
- Be cautious of during all this is the balance hairspring, this cannot get all bent up or distorted in anyway.
132-071 Clock Movement Installation
Remove the hands
Remove the minute hand by taking off the hand nut. Use a pair of needle nose pliers to gently turn the nut to the left. Once it is loose, you will be able to remove it with fingers. Once the hand nut is off, the minute hand will easily come off. The hour hand is a friction fit. Twisting it back and forth while pulling at the same time will remove the hour hand. The hour hand tube is tapered wider as it goes into the movement. This means pressing the hour hand down more onto the post, the tighter it will be.
Remove mounting screws
Use a flat head screwdriver to remove the screws. There are usually four screws at the 12 - 3 - 6 and 9 o’clock positions. Sometimes, there are also screws on the back of the clock case. Removal of these are necessary so the entire movement and the dial can come out the front.
Take off the clock dial
Usually the dial mounts onto a metal plate. This metal plate will have three or four posts that go into the clock movement. The dial comes off of the metal plate with three or four small flat screws. The metal plate that the dial mounts to comes off by releasing the posts that go into the movement. The posts that go into the movement will come off by one of two ways. The first being that the post may have a tapered pin holding it. This means a pin that is fat on one side and skinny on the other. The skinny side will be stuck into a hole that is in the post. To remove the pin, grab it with a pair of needle nose pliers and yank it out.
The other instance you will encounter is a locking collar. The locking collar will have a set screw that loosens for it to come off. With the release of the posts from the movement, the dial will come straight forward and off of the movement.
The new Clock Movement Installation
Installation is the reversal of the removal process. So the first step is to put the metal plate with the posts back on the clock movement with its tapered pins or set screws. Install the movement with its metal dial plate into the round metal clock case and reattach. Install the clock dial back onto its metal holding plate. Put the hour hand on the clock as a friction fit and then the minute hand with its nut.
Set the chime with time
After the installation of the new movement, you will notice the clock will chime 5 minutes before the hour or after the hour, or 8 minutes, or whatever. The idea being that it won’t chime when it is meant to chime. The fix for this problem is extremely easy. Take the minute hand off of the clock. This is the longer of the two hands. With this minute hand off of the clock, turn it upside down. You will see it has a square hole where it attaches to the clock. This square hole is in a bushing that will rotate WITHIN the minute hand itself.
Grab that bushing with needle nose pliers and rotate the bushing a little bit. Then put the hand back on the clock and see if it’s pointing to the correct place where the chimes went off. If it is, then set to time. Likewise, if it isn't, take the minute hand off again and rotate the bushing some more. Keep doing this until you get it perfect. Then set it to the correct time. This concludes the 132-071 Installation Instructions.
About Hermle Clock Movements
Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it restored like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. Get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. Save hundreds of dollars doing it also.
Mechanical Clock Movement Wear
Mechanical clock movement wears out after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the brass plates of the movement. So, when this happens, the clock movement will not run correctly. This is when the movement will need a cleaning at least, or be replaced. Of course, a brand new movement is always your best option.
What wear and where
Look at your old clock movement, and see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.
Invisible clock movement wear
This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one. However, once the movement starts having problems due to the oblong pivot holes, something will need to be done. The clock will never stay running otherwise.
New Clock Movement Benefits
New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of a restoration. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.
Getting the movement serviced
Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.
Every time the movement needs to have work done on it or needs bushings, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. So another new clock movement benefit is that this would not happen. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul on a clock movement could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new clock movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.
Replacing with a new clock movement
If the clock movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new clock movement. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The new clock movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old clock movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the clock movement better than a new one.
A new clock movement is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when you first made the purchase from the store. The new clock movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the clock movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new clock movement instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.
Movements That Would Need a Repair or an Overhaul
If a new clock movement is not possible, then a repair is most likely the only option. However we will try to convert it to a new clock movement that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to have us work on it.
Another clock movement to consider having restored instead of replacing it is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell new clock movement makes an overhaul more attractive. This is due to the high price on the new clock movements which is over $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these new clock movements are more costly than the overhaul by Clockworks anyway. We can charge a much lower amount for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive new clock movements.
Clockworks = The best repair service
We would love to do the clock movement overhaul here at Clockworks and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only repair clock movements the hard way with no short cuts. Even with new clock movements, we inspect them and make sure all is well before shipping them out. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.
The clock movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have Clockworks work on your clock movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here. If a new clock movement is not possible, then this repair is your best and only option.
The new movement
New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already have lubrication with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The new clock movement comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the clock movement, besides the dial and weights.
Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions are sent via email) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new clock movement can then be put in by someone with experience in 10 or 15 minutes. A person with no experience will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. This is definitely a new clock movement benefit. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for clock movements that were in a mass production this is not the situation. This relates more to a few individual clockmakers who's design of the case makes it more tricky to get the new clock movement in or out.
Summary of New Clock Movement Benefits
A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.
Hermle Clock Movement Aliases
Hermle produces clock movements but the use of aliases is quite prevalent. The movement could have a stamp with any name but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many movements that they were able to get their name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.
The best Aliases in Disguise
Seth Thomas and Mason and Sullivan had not only their name, but also their own internal numbering system. Their stamp and number was on the movement instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to have a conversion to the real number. Correspondingly, this is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.
Best to replace the movement
It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. Of course, you do not have to think and decide if a repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business a long ago and the life of the unit is over. Ordinarily, the lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. In fact, if ST or Mason Sullivan is on the movement that would indicate the clock is about 40 years old or more.
The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy
All in all, Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks use only their name, and not their own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. Additionally, the numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement there are 3 or 4 digits then a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. For example, 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.
Other Names Used
- S. Larose
- Mason & Sullivan
- Tally Industries
- Seth Thomas
- Howard Miller
Hermle Number Examples
Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If the clock numbers are similar to this, it is made by Hermle.
- 451-050 94cm
- 451-030 66cm
- 341-020 45cm
- 1151-050 114cm
- 451-053 94cm
- 1161-853 114cm
- 141-070 45cm
- 351-050 55cm
- 1161-850 94cm
- 241-070 94cm
132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement
To replace the 132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement is by the movement numbers alone. All you need are the numbers off of the back plate of the old one, to order the new one. If the numbers match then the movement matches.
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