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Kieninger clock movement identification

The first step to replace the movement or any components is to first do the identification process on the Kieninger clock movement. To get the new clock movement price and what it includes, we start with the numbers. The numbers are also required to get components of the clock also. Components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.

Decoding Kieninger clock movements

For example lets say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.

  • 1981 =The first numbers 81 is the year made if it is an on older unit. On the new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
  • K = The K is the movements series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
  • 116CM = The pendulum length in centimeters measured from the top of the movement all the down. Based on the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.

Kieninger Clock Movement Identification

Dating the Kieninger movement

Above is stated 81 was the date, however this has changed in the later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date produced. So it may or may not be the date, but you can just ignore that first number when replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless it is stamped on the plate.

We can help

The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights. If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chains or cables with pulleys. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to [email protected] Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone also 800-381-7458.

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Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering

Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime. In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there is any uncommon things added after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities added such as this.

Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement

First go to the letter that is stamped on the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first. Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.

Attribute selection

On that same drop down list with the CM listed there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific quality's the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime. If there is dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the what ever movement you have that matches the options.

After ordering the Kieninger movement

After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement a receipt will be emailed. The installation instructions will be provided via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units ships with the chains or cables with pulleys included. The new movement will ship the next business day by Fed Ex ground.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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K Series Kieninger Clock Movement

The K series clock movement are the most produced 3 weight movement series that Kieninger has created. They have a hand shaft length of 47mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads.

Why a new Kieninger movement

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The K series clock movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The K series clock movement will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

What the K series clock comes with

This high quality K Series Kieninger clock movement comes oiled and includes its cables, pulleys, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.

Kieninger decoding

An older Kieninger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "K" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 K 116CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.

Movement removal and installation

Removal of the is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.

Regula 34 Cuckoo Clock Movement

8 Day Regula 34

Most popular 8 day weight driven cuckoo clock movement. Comes with chains, hooks and rings and is already oiled. This movement uses two weights at 3 1/4 LBS (1500 Grams) each (not included). The pendulum is the larger 8 day size.

The drop is the measurement from the suspension post down to the center of the pendulum leaf where the clock keeps approximate time.

See if its Regula

To see if your time / cuckoo movement is Regula, please check the following.

  1. If your clock movement has two weights on the movement itself, your in the right section. You may have three weights, but the movement itself only carries two of them, and if you have another weight that is only on the music box, your in the right section.
  2. Next see if your cuckoo movement says 34 on it above the spiked wheel that makes the bellows go up and down, above this wheel and to the right some. It may have more numbers or letters after the 34 but these are meant to be ignored.
  3. Now you know the clock movement is made by the Regula company of Germany and if it says 34 it's a eight day movement.
  4. The pendulum drop is measured from the top of the movement and down to the center of the pendulum leaf where the clock used to keep approximate time.

Bending the bird wire

These movements have the bird wire also, this will come way too long and will need to be cut to length. After cut to size it must be bent into a 90 degree angle, and this bend must be done right the first time or its difficult to correct. The correct way to do adjust this bird arm wire is as follows.

  1. Measure the complete bird arm wire on the old unit, including the right angled section.
  2. Cut the new units bird wire to the same size.
  3. Take note of your old unit if the arm is forward or back, you want the arm forward on the old and the new as to avoid an improper 90 degree bend. A proper bend will be when both movements are in the bird coming out, arm forward to the front of the movement, both units at once, then make the bend. Otherwise it will be hard to correct as one 90 degree will not be in forward when the other one is, and will result in having to correct. How you put the arm forward =make the clock in strike mode, or you can say in cuckoo mode, as when its in cuckoo mode, the bird is forward.
  4. Measure where the bend is on the old movement and then go ahead and bend the new units bird arm to a right angle, at the same location as the old one (where the arm is even with the front of the movement, not back)

Regula 25 Cuckoo Movement

1 Day (Regula 25)

Most popular one day weight driven cuckoo clock movement. Comes with chains, hooks and rings. This movement uses two weights at 5/8 LBS (275 Grams) each (not included). The drop is the measurement from the suspension post (top of the movement) down to the center of the pendulum leaf where the clock keeps approximate time.

See if its Regula

To see if your time / cuckoo movement is Regula, please check the following.
  1. If your clock movement has two weights on the movement itself, your in the right section. You may have three weights, but the movement itself only carries two of them, and if you have another weight that is only on the music box, your in the right section.
  2. Next see if your cuckoo movement says 25 on it above the spiked wheel that makes the bellows go up and down, above this wheel and to the right some. It may have more numbers or letters after the 25 but these are to be ignored.
  3. Now you know the clock movement is made by the Regula company of Germany and if it says 25 it's a one day movement.
  4. The pendulum drop is measured from the top of the movement and down to the center of the pendulum leaf where the clock used to keep approximate time.

Bending the bird wire

These movements have the bird wire also, this will come way too long and will need to be cut to length. After cut to size it must be bent into a 90 degree angle, and this bend must be done right the first time or its difficult to correct. The correct way to do adjust this bird arm wire is as follows.
  1. Measure the complete bird arm wire on the old unit, including the right angled section.
  2. Cut the new units bird wire to the same size.
  3. Take note of your old unit if the arm is forward or back, you want the arm forward on the old and the new as to avoid an improper 90 degree bend. A proper bend will be when both movements are in the bird coming out, arm forward to the front of the movement, both units at once, then make the bend. Otherwise it will be hard to correct as one 90 degree will not be in forward when the other one is, and will result in having to correct. How you put the arm forward =make the clock in strike mode, or you can say in cuckoo mode, as when its in cuckoo mode, the bird is forward.
  4. Measure where the bend is on the old movement and then go ahead and bend the new units bird arm to a right angle, at the same location as the old one (where the arm is even with the front of the movement, not back)

132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement

132-071MVT Notes132-071 Timing132-071 InstallAbout HermleWhat Happened?Why get a new Hermle?Other Names Used

132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement information now available on these tabs.

Hermle 132-071 clock movement

Hermle 132-071 clock movement is now equipped with a Swiss platform escapement. The quality of this escapement is much improved from the past and easier to time than ever. This ships bell strike clock movement is the only one in production in today's world. There is no other ships bell clock movement in either mechanical or quartz other than this one. Its just as well, as this one is a very good unit and is compact and high quality.

About the 132-071

The 132-071 clock movement has outer plates 90mm wide, its spring driven, runs eight days on a single wind up of the springs. This one often said Seth Thomas on it, but when it says that its after the Seth Thomas USA name has been sold. So its really a Hermle clock movement of Germany instead of Seth Thomas making the clock. Seth Thomas maybe who put the clock together and brought it to market, its just not made by ST themselves. So I guess you would say both are true, Seth Thomas made it and also Hermle made it depending on if your talking about the clock or the mechanics within the clock.

These types of clocks were used in two different ways, bell strike and gong strike. If you order a new movement, it will come as a bell strike and will include the bells. If you rather stay with the gong instead, its only one screw to remove the bell from the new unit. You then bend the hammer out so it will hit the gong instead.

Swapping the 132-071

Removal and installation on this unit is pretty simple and people do not have trouble with this one typically. The minute hand comes off by holding the minute hand while turning its nut to the left. Next the hour hand comes off by friction fit, twist and pull toward you. The dial is next with a couple screws, then you can see the dial blind plate with another couple screws. When these are removed if you flip the clock upside down the movement will drop out into your hands.

We also offer the movement with the dial and the hands, to use this unit on the Schatz Royal Mariner movement that is no longer in production. The Schatz unit is not available and this unit is very close, however the winding arbors are in different places, so this is why the new dial. The hands will need to be changed also for this conversion.

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Timing clock movement 132-071

The 132-071 has a platform escapement. This means is it has a balance wheel rather than a pendulum. When adjusting the timing lever it pushes or pulls the hairspring on the balance wheel. This manipulates the speed of the balance wheel oscillations and therefore the speed of the time. It is done with the lever that sticks out of the dial face. If you move the lever more to the plus side, it will speed up time.

Why the need to time the 132-071

This lever or arm sticking out of the dial slot is able to move up or down to adjust the timing. The factory had it keep perfect time when the arm was in the middle of this slot. This is intended to stick straight out in the middle of the slot in the dial, in between the + and - symbols. It would not surprising if this moved some in shipping and have to adjust the timing a little. It may be best to adjust this arm and start in the dead center. If the clock is slow, move the arm slightly to the + and do the opposite if it is running fast.

If the 132-071 will not time

Timing clock movement 132-071 platform balance escapement can sometimes require to go beyond the limit of the dial slot. If it is at the end of its slot and you cannot go any further, do the following.

  • The hands get removed to get them out of the way. First the minute hand comes off by holding the hand still and turning the nut to the left. Then the hour hand comes off, twist and pull toward you.
  • Remove the screws to take off the dial, it will only be 3-4 flat head screws.
  • Remove the movement by taking out another 3-4 screws.
  • Flip the clock upside down and the movement will fall out into your hands.
  • Notice the lever used to manipulate the time, this is the lever that was sticking out of the dial slot.
  • Next move the time lever to where ever it will keep approximate time.
  • Loosen the set screw and move the lever to the middle of the slot area, and then tighten the screw again.
  • Be cautious of during all this is the balance hairspring, this cannot get all bent up or distorted in anyway.

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132-071 Clock Movement Installation

132-071 Clock Movement Installation instructions for a new 132-071 clock movement that you purchased from Clockworks.com.

Remove the hands

Remove the minute hand by taking off the hand nut. Use a pair of needle nose pliers to gently turn the nut to the left. Once it is loosened, you will be able to remove it with your fingers. Once the hand nut is off, the minute hand will easily come off. The hour hand is a friction fit. Twisting it back and forth while pulling toward you at the same time will remove the hour hand. Although you may not be able to tell, the hour hand tube is tapered wider as it goes into the movement. This means the more the hour hand is pressed down onto this post, the tighter it will be. It will also be harder to come off.

Remove mounting screws

Use a flat head screwdriver to remove the screws. There are usually four screws at the 12 - 3 - 6 and 9 o’clock positions. Sometimes, there are also screws on the back of the clock case. These need to be removed so the entire movement, and the dial, can come out the front. These are a couple of different mounting methods you may encounter.

Take off the clock dial

The dial is usually attached to a metal plate. This metal plate will have three or four posts that go into the clock movement. The dial comes off of the metal plate with three or four small flat screws. The metal plate that the dial is attached to comes off by releasing the posts that go into the movement. The posts that go into the movement will come off by one of two ways. The first being that the post may have a tapered pin holding it. This means a pin that is fat on one side and skinny on the other. The skinny side will be stuck into a hole drilled into the post. To remove the pin, grab it with a pair of needle nose pliers and yank it out.

The other instance you will encounter is a locking collar. The locking collar will have a set screw that needs to be loosened for it to come off. With the posts released from the movement, the dial will come straight forward and off of the movement.

Installing the new movement

Installation is the reversal of the removal process. The first step is to put the metal plate with the posts back on the clock movement with its tapered pins or set screws. Install the movement with its metal dial plate into the round metal clock case and reattach. Install the clock dial back onto its metal holding plate. Put the hour hand on the clock as a friction fit and then the minute hand with its nut.

Set the chime with time

After the new movement is installed, you will notice the clock will chime 5 minutes before the hour or after the hour, or 8 minutes, or whatever. The idea being that it won’t chime when it’s supposed to.

Take the minute hand off of the clock. This is the longer of the two hands. With this minute hand off of the clock, turn it upside down. You will see it has a square hole where it attaches to the clock. This square hole is in a bushing that will rotate WITHIN the minute hand itself.

Grab that bushing with needle nose pliers and rotate the bushing a little bit. Then put the hand back on the clock and see if it’s pointing to the correct place where it chimed. If it is, then set to time. If it isn't, take the minute hand off again and rotate the bushing some more. Keep doing this until you get it to point to where the clock just chimed. Then set it to the correct time. This concludes the 132-071 Installation Instructions.

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About Hermle Clock Movements

Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it overhauled like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. So what happens is you get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, you get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. You will save hundreds of dollars doing it also.

 

Movement grades

All the Hermle clock movements clockworks.com offers is the best grade. In other words there are a couple styles some units have that are not as good as others. There are various movements that have more than one grade. Some units can have plastic for the hour hand tube and the next wheel down, instead the better brass. Meanwhile the number is the same for both grades. In other words there is the economy grade and there is the full grade, on some movement series. Please know that clockworks.com will only ship the best grade Hermle clock movement available, every time.

What you will receive

Each one of the these fine Hermle clock movements come already oiled, will come with the hand nut also. If it is a pendulum style clock, it will come with the suspension spring and the pendulum hanger (leader). If its a weight driven clock, it will come with new chains or cables and with pulleys. So this will be the movement with its hammer assemble on. This is the complete movement that comes out after you get in your hands and walk away from the clock with it. No weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, dial all this you have already usually.

Upon ordering

When you place your online order you will get a receipt emailed to you providing you put in the correct email address. If you do not get a receipt, please check your spam folder for the receipt from us. On the receipt is the link to click for the instructions for your product. The Hermle clock movement ships from Huntington, MA 01050 USA and sometimes from other locations also. The movements go out the next business day unless there is something we have to do to it such as a regear. The Hermle Clock Movements ship out UPS or sometimes FedEx. Never USPS unless there is a special request or you are an international customer.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.

What wear and where

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best disguised Aliases

Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

Best to replace the movement

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm

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132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement

132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement is replace by the movement numbers alone. All you need are the numbers off of the back plate of the old one, to order the new one. If the numbers match then the movement matches.


132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement
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Hermle Clock Movement

  • Swiss Platform Escapement
  • 11 Jewel Balance
  • 27.6mm Hand shaft
  • Ships Bell Strike
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Ships same day as ordered
  • 132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement

132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement

The 132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement is a 8 day clock on a single wind. It has two hammers on the back with one included bell that will play the ships bell strike sequence. This brand new Hermle clock movement is straight from the Hermle factory in Germany. The movement comes pre oiled and includes its improved balance for ease of fine timing. The 132-071 is now improved with a Swiss platform escapement. The quality of this escapement is much improved from the past and easier to time.

Removal of this 132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This unit is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help. Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes.

Schatz Conversion to 132-071

We also offer the movement with the dial and the hands, to use this unit on the Schatz Royal Mariner movement that is no longer in production. The Schatz unit is not available and this unit is very close, however the winding arbors are in different places, so this is why the new dial. The hands on the 132-071 Ships Bell Clock Movement will need to be changed also for this conversion.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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If Not Listed

If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.

NEW MS Series Kieninger Clock Movements

Kieninger Clock MovementKieninger IdentificationOrdering the clock movementWhy get a new Kieninger?

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Kieninger clock movement identification

The first step to replace the movement or any components is to first do the identification process on the Kieninger clock movement. To get the new clock movement price and what it includes, we start with the numbers. The numbers are also required to get components of the clock also. Components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.

Decoding Kieninger clock movements

For example lets say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.

  • 1981 =The first numbers 81 is the year made if it is an on older unit. On the new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
  • K = The K is the movements series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
  • 116CM = The pendulum length in centimeters measured from the top of the movement all the down. Based on the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.

Kieninger Clock Movement Identification

Dating the Kieninger movement

Above is stated 81 was the date, however this has changed in the later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date produced. So it may or may not be the date, but you can just ignore that first number when replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless it is stamped on the plate.

We can help

The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights. If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chains or cables with pulleys. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to [email protected] Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone also 800-381-7458.

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Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering

Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime. In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there is any uncommon things added after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities added such as this.

Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement

First go to the letter that is stamped on the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first. Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.

Attribute selection

On that same drop down list with the CM listed there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific quality's the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime. If there is dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the what ever movement you have that matches the options.

After ordering the Kieninger movement

After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement a receipt will be emailed. The installation instructions will be provided via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units ships with the chains or cables with pulleys included. The new movement will ship the next business day by Fed Ex ground.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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MS Series Kieninger Clock Movement

MS Series Kieninger Clock Movement includes MS, and MSU markings on the movement. They have a hand shaft length of 47mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads.

What the MS series clock comes with

This high quality German Kieninger movement comes oiled and includes its cables, pulleys, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.

Why a new Kieninger movement

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

Kieninger decoding

An older Kieinger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "MS" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 MSU 116CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.

Movement removal and installation

Removal of this movement is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.

Time Only Mechanical Clock Kit

Solid brass movements that are excellent for building a clock or replacements for movements that are beyond repair or to put in a new clock. Accurately reproduced American style movement with heavy plates, oil sinks and front mount pendulums.

If replacing a unit, your pendulum will work as long as the drop is the same, or made the same, by altering the suspension wire and/or the pendulum to create the correct overall length from the hand shaft.

The center shaft / arbor configuration will match up to many original dials.

All styles come either just the movement or you can get it complete with hands, key, gong, gong base and pendulum. The 'drop' is the pendulum length from the center of the hand shaft down to the bottom of the rating assembly.

For Banjos, Shop Regulators, and School clocks that do not have a strike. The pre-oiled movement includes the key, hands, suspension spring and rod, and pendulum bob.

  • Plates: 3 5/16'
  • Min case width 6 1/4'
  • Min depth: 3 3/4'
  • Drop: 13' to 18'
  • Hand Shaft 2'

Clock Bezel, Dial, Glass Friction Fit

Bezel/crystal/dials feature a solid brass diamond cut bezel, curved glass lens and a metal dial and back plate. This is the friction fit style so the bezel / glass comes off by twisting and then pull off to get to the dial.

130-020 Hermle Clock Movement

130/131 HermleAbout Hermle MovementsMovement NotesCM NotesWhat Happened?Why get a new Hermle?Other Names Used
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About Hermle Clock Movements

Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it overhauled like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. So what happens is you get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, you get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. You will save hundreds of dollars doing it also.

 

Movement grades

All the Hermle clock movements clockworks.com offers is the best grade. In other words there are a couple styles some units have that are not as good as others. There are various movements that have more than one grade. Some units can have plastic for the hour hand tube and the next wheel down, instead the better brass. Meanwhile the number is the same for both grades. In other words there is the economy grade and there is the full grade, on some movement series. Please know that clockworks.com will only ship the best grade Hermle clock movement available, every time.

What you will receive

Each one of the these fine Hermle clock movements come already oiled, will come with the hand nut also. If it is a pendulum style clock, it will come with the suspension spring and the pendulum hanger (leader). If its a weight driven clock, it will come with new chains or cables and with pulleys. So this will be the movement with its hammer assemble on. This is the complete movement that comes out after you get in your hands and walk away from the clock with it. No weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, dial all this you have already usually.

Upon ordering

When you place your online order you will get a receipt emailed to you providing you put in the correct email address. If you do not get a receipt, please check your spam folder for the receipt from us. On the receipt is the link to click for the instructions for your product. The Hermle clock movement ships from Huntington, MA 01050 USA and sometimes from other locations also. The movements go out the next business day unless there is something we have to do to it such as a regear. The Hermle Clock Movements ship out UPS or sometimes FedEx. Never USPS unless there is a special request or you are an international customer.

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Hermle clock movement 130 - 131

Hermle clock movement 130 - 131 is a round unit with a 90mm plate size diameter. They all take a size 4 clock key (not included), they come oiled and ready to go. The most compact movement produced in the Hermle clock movement line. They fit into the tightest of spaces and come in either pendulum units or balance units.

130 - 131 balance wheel

You can tell if it is a balance unit because there will be a big balance wheel in the center and top of the unit. A balance wheel is advantageous in that it never has to be put into beat. You can move it from here to there and it will work just as it did. It does not even have to be level and can be in a room that has vibrations or shaking, does not matter.

The 130 or 131 clock comes as the movement alone

Installation is easy and we are here to help if you need it. What is being offered on this page is the movement alone with no other components such as pendulums and gongs. The movements come with the hand nut and also the suspension spring and leader if it is a pendulum unit.

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Hermle Clock Pendulum Measuring

If the Hermle clock is not keeping time it maybe required to see if the correct pendulum is used by doing some measuring. The CM stamp will not be the actual pendulum length. The CM stamp will tell us certain things but not what the pendulum is supposed to be from tip to tip. This section describes what the CM stamp represents and how it is measured.

What the CM represents

Measuring a Hermle Clock Pendulum is done from the top of the movement and all the way down. The CM number will only be accurate to the pendulum length if the bob is the smallest diameter. A larger bob it will be a longer pendulum than what is indicated by the CM stamp on the movement. The larger or heavier the bob the longer the pendulum needs to be. If confused please email [email protected] for help determining the best pendulum length. Provide the CM number off the back plate and also how wide the pendulum bob is (round disk at the bottom of the pendulum).

Parts that are measured

The pendulum length (**cm) will be from the suspension post all the way down. Meaning to the bottom of the pendulum nut threads. The length includes the pendulum from tip to tip, the leader it hangs on, and the suspension spring. This pendulum length will not always be exactly what is marked on the movement. There are other factors such as the pendulum bob diameter. The larger the pendulum bob diameter then the longer the pendulum length despite the CM length.

Conclusion

If the CM length on the old unit matches the CM length on the new unit it will keep time with the same pendulum. It maybe required to use the old leader and put it on the new unit but this is not common.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.

What wear and where

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best disguised Aliases

Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

Best to replace the movement

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm

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130/131 Hermle Clock Movement

To get a 130/131 Hermle Clock Movement all you need are the numbers off of the back plate. If the numbers match then the movement matches. If the clock is a pendulum unit, be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.


Hermle Clock Movement
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  • Balance Escapement
  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • 3 Hammer Below
  • Bim Bam Strike
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Ships same day as ordered
  • 130/131 Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

130-020 Hermle Clock Movement

The 130-020 clock movement is an 8 day clock on a single wind. It has three hammers below the unit that will strike out the hours at the top of the hour and strike once for the half hour. The 130-020 Hermle Clock Movement has a 90mm plate diameter. All the 130-020 Hermle Clock Movement take a #4 size clock key.

Ordering a Hermle Clock Movement

When ordering a Hermle clock movement, the numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself are needed. The numbers are matched up so the new movement will be exactly the same as the old one. Replacing the movement is a fraction of the price of a repair, and it is the fastest way to get the clock up and running again.

Clock movement removal and installation

Removing and installing the clock movement requires the most basic tools. If you can change the spark plug on your lawn mower, this will be a breeze. All of the Hermle clock movements are in stock and ship immediately. We are full time clock makers and retailers. This means if you need assistance in picking out the correct Hermle clock movement, installation or troubleshooting issues, we can help. Please do not hesitate to ask.

Matching the CM when ordering

This note only applies if your Hermle clock movement has a pendulum. You will need to match up your CM length from the back plate of your old unit to the new one. The options indicated all that is available by stock. If there is a CM number you need but is not listed we can still create it most likely by changing some gears. If this is the situation please just give us a call 800 381 7458. There is an extra fee for the regearing of the movement. Usually this fee is $30 to $40 additional.

Conclusion

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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If Not Listed

If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.

131-030 Hermle Clock Movement

130/131 HermleAbout Hermle MovementsMovement NotesCM NotesWhat Happened?Why get a new Hermle?Other Names Used
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About Hermle Clock Movements

Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it overhauled like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. So what happens is you get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, you get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. You will save hundreds of dollars doing it also.

 

Movement grades

All the Hermle clock movements clockworks.com offers is the best grade. In other words there are a couple styles some units have that are not as good as others. There are various movements that have more than one grade. Some units can have plastic for the hour hand tube and the next wheel down, instead the better brass. Meanwhile the number is the same for both grades. In other words there is the economy grade and there is the full grade, on some movement series. Please know that clockworks.com will only ship the best grade Hermle clock movement available, every time.

What you will receive

Each one of the these fine Hermle clock movements come already oiled, will come with the hand nut also. If it is a pendulum style clock, it will come with the suspension spring and the pendulum hanger (leader). If its a weight driven clock, it will come with new chains or cables and with pulleys. So this will be the movement with its hammer assemble on. This is the complete movement that comes out after you get in your hands and walk away from the clock with it. No weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, dial all this you have already usually.

Upon ordering

When you place your online order you will get a receipt emailed to you providing you put in the correct email address. If you do not get a receipt, please check your spam folder for the receipt from us. On the receipt is the link to click for the instructions for your product. The Hermle clock movement ships from Huntington, MA 01050 USA and sometimes from other locations also. The movements go out the next business day unless there is something we have to do to it such as a regear. The Hermle Clock Movements ship out UPS or sometimes FedEx. Never USPS unless there is a special request or you are an international customer.

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Hermle clock movement 130 - 131

Hermle clock movement 130 - 131 is a round unit with a 90mm plate size diameter. They all take a size 4 clock key (not included), they come oiled and ready to go. The most compact movement produced in the Hermle clock movement line. They fit into the tightest of spaces and come in either pendulum units or balance units.

130 - 131 balance wheel

You can tell if it is a balance unit because there will be a big balance wheel in the center and top of the unit. A balance wheel is advantageous in that it never has to be put into beat. You can move it from here to there and it will work just as it did. It does not even have to be level and can be in a room that has vibrations or shaking, does not matter.

The 130 or 131 clock comes as the movement alone

Installation is easy and we are here to help if you need it. What is being offered on this page is the movement alone with no other components such as pendulums and gongs. The movements come with the hand nut and also the suspension spring and leader if it is a pendulum unit.

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Hermle Clock Pendulum Measuring

If the Hermle clock is not keeping time it maybe required to see if the correct pendulum is used by doing some measuring. The CM stamp will not be the actual pendulum length. The CM stamp will tell us certain things but not what the pendulum is supposed to be from tip to tip. This section describes what the CM stamp represents and how it is measured.

What the CM represents

Measuring a Hermle Clock Pendulum is done from the top of the movement and all the way down. The CM number will only be accurate to the pendulum length if the bob is the smallest diameter. A larger bob it will be a longer pendulum than what is indicated by the CM stamp on the movement. The larger or heavier the bob the longer the pendulum needs to be. If confused please email [email protected] for help determining the best pendulum length. Provide the CM number off the back plate and also how wide the pendulum bob is (round disk at the bottom of the pendulum).

Parts that are measured

The pendulum length (**cm) will be from the suspension post all the way down. Meaning to the bottom of the pendulum nut threads. The length includes the pendulum from tip to tip, the leader it hangs on, and the suspension spring. This pendulum length will not always be exactly what is marked on the movement. There are other factors such as the pendulum bob diameter. The larger the pendulum bob diameter then the longer the pendulum length despite the CM length.

Conclusion

If the CM length on the old unit matches the CM length on the new unit it will keep time with the same pendulum. It maybe required to use the old leader and put it on the new unit but this is not common.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.

What wear and where

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best disguised Aliases

Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

Best to replace the movement

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm

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130/131 Hermle Clock Movement

To get a 130/131 Hermle Clock Movement all you need are the numbers off of the back plate. If the numbers match then the movement matches. If the clock is a pendulum unit, be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.


Hermle Clock Movement
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  • Balance Escapement
  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • 3 Hammer Below
  • Bim Bam Strike
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Ships same day as ordered
  • 130/131 Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

About the 131-030 movement

The 131-030 Hermle Clock Movement runs 8 days on a single wind. It has two hammers towards the top with a included bell. The movement will strike out the top of the hour via the bell, and then once for the half hour. This brand new 131-030 is straight from the factory in Germany. The movement comes oiled and includes its improved balance for ease of fine timing. Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. This high quality German movement comes oiled and includes its leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul.

Ordering a Hermle Clock Movement

When ordering a Hermle clock movement, the numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself are needed. The numbers are matched up so the new movement will be exactly the same as the old one. Replacing the movement is a fraction of the price of a repair, and it is the fastest way to get the clock up and running again.

Clock movement removal and installation

Removing and installing the clock movement requires the most basic tools. If you can change the spark plug on your lawn mower, this will be a breeze. All of the Hermle clock movements are in stock and ship immediately. We are full time clock makers and retailers. This means if you need assistance in picking out the correct Hermle clock movement, installation or troubleshooting issues, we can help. Please do not hesitate to ask.

Matching the CM when ordering

This note only applies if your Hermle clock movement has a pendulum. You will need to match up your CM length from the back plate of your old unit to the new one. The options indicated all that is available by stock. If there is a CM number you need but is not listed we can still create it most likely by changing some gears. If this is the situation please just give us a call 800 381 7458. There is an extra fee for the regearing of the movement. Usually this fee is $30 to $40 additional.

Conclusion

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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If Not Listed

If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.

Urgos UW32 Series Floor Clock Movement

 

1. Chime type?

There are two chime types, Westminster chime only, or triple chime. The Westminster with just have chime or silent at the 3 O'clock switch, and the triple chime will have your choice of three songs and also silent at the 3 O'clock switch. If you have no switch at 3 O'clock, its Westminster only.

2. Weights hang on?

There is only two options for this. Either the weights will be hanging on chains coming down from the movement, or the weights will be hanging on pulleys that are hanging from cables. The chain driven units get wound up by pulling down the chains, the cable driven gets wound up by a crank key that gets inserted into the dial holes.

3. Hand Shaft Length?

This is the measurement of the shaft that the hands go on, from the front plate of the movement and all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads. This is in mm but you can convert to inches online if you need too. Just type into a google search mm to in. The options are displayed on each movement series so all you have to do is figure out what mm length yours has that matches.

4. Pendulum length from top?

The Germans measure the pendulum length from the top of the movement and all the way down to the bottom of the pendulum nut threads. This measurement is approximate and varies depending on bob diameter. (The bob is the round disk at the bottom of the pendulum). The larger diameter on the pendulum bob, the longer the pendulum is needed to be for the same unit. The Germans base there PL length (sometimes stamped on the movement, but usually not) on a bob diameter of 4 1/2 inches. (4 1/2 inches = 145mm). So when the list says for example 93cm, they are talking about the pendulum from tip to tip, the pendulum leader that is hangs on, and the suspension spring that the leader hangs on. All three components put together in one measurement in CM's. If this is confusing, we can do this another way. If you take off your pendulum, and put it on the kitchen table, and measure the pendulum from tip to tip when it is off the clock, we can say this instead=
  • If the pendulum Length 27-30 inches, get the 80cm movement
  • If the pendulum Length 31-34 inches, get the 93cm movement
  • If the pendulum Length 35-37 inches, get the 100cm movement
  • If the pendulum Length 38-40 inches, get the 110cm movement
  • If the pendulum Length 40 plus inches, get the 116cm movement
The three weight square Urgos clock movements are known as UW32 series. There are some other numbers on the back of the clock movement, but please ignore them. Such as your movement may say UW32319 or UW32/1 or anything else, but all we are concerned with is you have a UW32 series. We only need to know if its Westminster only or triple chime, what the weights hang on, how long the shaft is that holds the hands, and then the pendulum length. Please note the directions carefully as it explains how these measurements are to be done. When you have the information, just click the options in the drop down menu and wallah, you have a new movement coming to you. It will be the same unit and be able to fit your other clock parts such as weights and pendulum and so forth. The movements come already oiled and includes the chains or cables with pulleys. Plug and play? Almost, but there are some things to do, and instructions will be emailed to you. If you get stuck just call or email. It is easy to put this one in and swap out the old one. After you get the hands and the dial out of the way really there are only two screws underneath that hold the movement in there. All the other stuff hangs off of it. The instructions explain all this, and if you get stuck you can just call or email us. With over 100 years of combined clock experience we can help with whatever you have going on. So there it is, a new movement ready to go in a week, for about 1/4 to 1/2 the price of an overhaul. German made, no knockoffs, ready for another 30-40 years of service. The movement comes with its chains or cables / pulleys, its already oiled, tested before shipping, comes with the leader and suspension and instructions.

NEW PS Kieninger Clock Movement

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Kieninger clock movement identification

The first step to replace the movement or any components is to first do the identification process on the Kieninger clock movement. To get the new clock movement price and what it includes, we start with the numbers. The numbers are also required to get components of the clock also. Components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.

Decoding Kieninger clock movements

For example lets say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.

  • 1981 =The first numbers 81 is the year made if it is an on older unit. On the new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
  • K = The K is the movements series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
  • 116CM = The pendulum length in centimeters measured from the top of the movement all the down. Based on the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.

Kieninger Clock Movement Identification

Dating the Kieninger movement

Above is stated 81 was the date, however this has changed in the later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date produced. So it may or may not be the date, but you can just ignore that first number when replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless it is stamped on the plate.

We can help

The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights. If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chains or cables with pulleys. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to [email protected] Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone also 800-381-7458.

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Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering

Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime. In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there is any uncommon things added after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities added such as this.

Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement

First go to the letter that is stamped on the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first. Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.

Attribute selection

On that same drop down list with the CM listed there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific quality's the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime. If there is dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the what ever movement you have that matches the options.

After ordering the Kieninger movement

After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement a receipt will be emailed. The installation instructions will be provided via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units ships with the chains or cables with pulleys included. The new movement will ship the next business day by Fed Ex ground.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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PS Series Kieninger clock movement

The PS Series Kieninger Clock Movement is a cable driven, two weight movement. They come in either gong strike with one hammer, or bim bam strike with three hammers.

Why a new PS Kieninger movement

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The PS Series Kieninger Clock Movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The PS or PSO movement (same thing) will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

What the PS Series Kieninger Clock comes with

This high quality PS Series Kieninger clock movement comes oiled and includes its cables, pulleys, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.

Kieninger movement decoding

An older Kieninger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "PS or PSO" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 PS 80CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.

Movement removal and installation

Removal of the is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This PS Series Kieninger Clock Movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.

NEW SK Series Kieninger Clock Movement

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Kieninger clock movement identification

The first step to replace the movement or any components is to first do the identification process on the Kieninger clock movement. To get the new clock movement price and what it includes, we start with the numbers. The numbers are also required to get components of the clock also. Components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.

Decoding Kieninger clock movements

For example lets say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.

  • 1981 =The first numbers 81 is the year made if it is an on older unit. On the new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
  • K = The K is the movements series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
  • 116CM = The pendulum length in centimeters measured from the top of the movement all the down. Based on the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.

Kieninger Clock Movement Identification

Dating the Kieninger movement

Above is stated 81 was the date, however this has changed in the later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date produced. So it may or may not be the date, but you can just ignore that first number when replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless it is stamped on the plate.

We can help

The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights. If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chains or cables with pulleys. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to [email protected] Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone also 800-381-7458.

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Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering

Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime. In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there is any uncommon things added after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities added such as this.

Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement

First go to the letter that is stamped on the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first. Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.

Attribute selection

On that same drop down list with the CM listed there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific quality's the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime. If there is dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the what ever movement you have that matches the options.

After ordering the Kieninger movement

After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement a receipt will be emailed. The installation instructions will be provided via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units ships with the chains or cables with pulleys included. The new movement will ship the next business day by Fed Ex ground.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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SK Series Kieninger Clock Movement

The SK Series Kieninger Clock Movement have a hand shaft length of 36mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out. This is a Westminster unit that is chain driven. It is used in both grand mother and grand father floor clock models. The unit comes in either side strike with 5 hammers or back strike with 8 hammers 4 and 4 each side.

Why a new SK Kieninger movement

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The SK Series Kieninger Clock Movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The SK or SKS movement will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

What the SK Series Kieninger Clock comes with

This high quality SK Series Kieninger clock movement comes oiled and includes its chains, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.

Kieninger movement decoding

An older Kieninger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "SK or SKS" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 SKS 116CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.

Movement removal and installation

Removal of the is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This SK Series Kieninger Clock Movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.

NEW RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement

Kieninger Clock MovementKieninger IdentificationOrdering the clock movementWhy get a new Kieninger?

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Kieninger clock movement identification

The first step to replace the movement or any components is to first do the identification process on the Kieninger clock movement. To get the new clock movement price and what it includes, we start with the numbers. The numbers are also required to get components of the clock also. Components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.

Decoding Kieninger clock movements

For example lets say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.

  • 1981 =The first numbers 81 is the year made if it is an on older unit. On the new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
  • K = The K is the movements series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
  • 116CM = The pendulum length in centimeters measured from the top of the movement all the down. Based on the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.

Kieninger Clock Movement Identification

Dating the Kieninger movement

Above is stated 81 was the date, however this has changed in the later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date produced. So it may or may not be the date, but you can just ignore that first number when replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless it is stamped on the plate.

We can help

The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights. If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chains or cables with pulleys. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to [email protected] Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone also 800-381-7458.

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Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering

Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime. In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there is any uncommon things added after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities added such as this.

Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement

First go to the letter that is stamped on the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first. Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.

Attribute selection

On that same drop down list with the CM listed there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific quality's the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime. If there is dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the what ever movement you have that matches the options.

After ordering the Kieninger movement

After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement a receipt will be emailed. The installation instructions will be provided via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units ships with the chains or cables with pulleys included. The new movement will ship the next business day by Fed Ex ground.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement

The RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement have a hand shaft length of 47mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out. This is a Westminster unit that is chain driven. It is used in both grand mother and grand father floor clock models.

Why a new RK Kieninger movement

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The movement will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

What the RK Series Kieninger Clock comes with

This high quality RK Series Kieninger clock movement comes oiled and includes its chains, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.

Kieninger movement decoding

An older Kieninger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "R" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 RK 116CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.

Movement removal and installation

Removal of the is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.

NEW H Series Kieninger Clock Movement

Kieninger Clock MovementKieninger IdentificationOrdering the clock movementWhy get a new Kieninger?

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Kieninger clock movement identification

The first step to replace the movement or any components is to first do the identification process on the Kieninger clock movement. To get the new clock movement price and what it includes, we start with the numbers. The numbers are also required to get components of the clock also. Components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.

Decoding Kieninger clock movements

For example lets say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.

  • 1981 =The first numbers 81 is the year made if it is an on older unit. On the new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
  • K = The K is the movements series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
  • 116CM = The pendulum length in centimeters measured from the top of the movement all the down. Based on the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.

Kieninger Clock Movement Identification

Dating the Kieninger movement

Above is stated 81 was the date, however this has changed in the later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date produced. So it may or may not be the date, but you can just ignore that first number when replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless it is stamped on the plate.

We can help

The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights. If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chains or cables with pulleys. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to [email protected] Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone also 800-381-7458.

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Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering

Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime. In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there is any uncommon things added after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities added such as this.

Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement

First go to the letter that is stamped on the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first. Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.

Attribute selection

On that same drop down list with the CM listed there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific quality's the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime. If there is dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the what ever movement you have that matches the options.

After ordering the Kieninger movement

After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement a receipt will be emailed. The installation instructions will be provided via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units ships with the chains or cables with pulleys included. The new movement will ship the next business day by Fed Ex ground.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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H Series Kieninger Clock Movement

H Series Kieninger Clock Movement is a large 6 x 9 chain driven that would say Kieninger on the movement and 116cm. Available in Westminster only (8 hammers 4 4) or triple chime (12 hammers 4 8).

Why a new Kieninger movement

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The H series clock movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The H series clock movement will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

What the H series clock movement comes with

This high quality H Series Kieninger clock movement comes oiled and includes its cables, pulleys, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The H Series >Kieninger clock movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.

H series Movement removal and installation

Removal of the is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This H Series Kieninger clock movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install of the H Series Kieninger clock movement we can help.

130-070 Hermle Clock Movement

130/131 HermleAbout Hermle MovementsMovement NotesCM NotesWhat Happened?Why get a new Hermle?Other Names Used
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About Hermle Clock Movements

Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it overhauled like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. So what happens is you get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, you get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. You will save hundreds of dollars doing it also.

 

Movement grades

All the Hermle clock movements clockworks.com offers is the best grade. In other words there are a couple styles some units have that are not as good as others. There are various movements that have more than one grade. Some units can have plastic for the hour hand tube and the next wheel down, instead the better brass. Meanwhile the number is the same for both grades. In other words there is the economy grade and there is the full grade, on some movement series. Please know that clockworks.com will only ship the best grade Hermle clock movement available, every time.

What you will receive

Each one of the these fine Hermle clock movements come already oiled, will come with the hand nut also. If it is a pendulum style clock, it will come with the suspension spring and the pendulum hanger (leader). If its a weight driven clock, it will come with new chains or cables and with pulleys. So this will be the movement with its hammer assemble on. This is the complete movement that comes out after you get in your hands and walk away from the clock with it. No weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, dial all this you have already usually.

Upon ordering

When you place your online order you will get a receipt emailed to you providing you put in the correct email address. If you do not get a receipt, please check your spam folder for the receipt from us. On the receipt is the link to click for the instructions for your product. The Hermle clock movement ships from Huntington, MA 01050 USA and sometimes from other locations also. The movements go out the next business day unless there is something we have to do to it such as a regear. The Hermle Clock Movements ship out UPS or sometimes FedEx. Never USPS unless there is a special request or you are an international customer.

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Hermle clock movement 130 - 131

Hermle clock movement 130 - 131 is a round unit with a 90mm plate size diameter. They all take a size 4 clock key (not included), they come oiled and ready to go. The most compact movement produced in the Hermle clock movement line. They fit into the tightest of spaces and come in either pendulum units or balance units.

130 - 131 balance wheel

You can tell if it is a balance unit because there will be a big balance wheel in the center and top of the unit. A balance wheel is advantageous in that it never has to be put into beat. You can move it from here to there and it will work just as it did. It does not even have to be level and can be in a room that has vibrations or shaking, does not matter.

The 130 or 131 clock comes as the movement alone

Installation is easy and we are here to help if you need it. What is being offered on this page is the movement alone with no other components such as pendulums and gongs. The movements come with the hand nut and also the suspension spring and leader if it is a pendulum unit.

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Hermle Clock Pendulum Measuring

If the Hermle clock is not keeping time it maybe required to see if the correct pendulum is used by doing some measuring. The CM stamp will not be the actual pendulum length. The CM stamp will tell us certain things but not what the pendulum is supposed to be from tip to tip. This section describes what the CM stamp represents and how it is measured.

What the CM represents

Measuring a Hermle Clock Pendulum is done from the top of the movement and all the way down. The CM number will only be accurate to the pendulum length if the bob is the smallest diameter. A larger bob it will be a longer pendulum than what is indicated by the CM stamp on the movement. The larger or heavier the bob the longer the pendulum needs to be. If confused please email [email protected] for help determining the best pendulum length. Provide the CM number off the back plate and also how wide the pendulum bob is (round disk at the bottom of the pendulum).

Parts that are measured

The pendulum length (**cm) will be from the suspension post all the way down. Meaning to the bottom of the pendulum nut threads. The length includes the pendulum from tip to tip, the leader it hangs on, and the suspension spring. This pendulum length will not always be exactly what is marked on the movement. There are other factors such as the pendulum bob diameter. The larger the pendulum bob diameter then the longer the pendulum length despite the CM length.

Conclusion

If the CM length on the old unit matches the CM length on the new unit it will keep time with the same pendulum. It maybe required to use the old leader and put it on the new unit but this is not common.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.

What wear and where

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to be oiled after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again.

Every time the movement is worked on and re-bushed, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again. This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year. It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new one. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work. The movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old movement so that it is better than new. Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the movement better than a new one.

A new one is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when it was purchased from the store. The new movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the movement is the same. It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new one instead of chasing the old? The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements to consider getting repaired instead

If a unit is no longer in production and not available new, then a repair is most likely your only option. However we will try to convert it to a new unit that is close and easy to adapt. If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to get it worked on.

Another movement to consider getting overhauled instead of replaced is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement. The price of a tubular bell unit makes an overhaul more attractive. This is because of the high price on the new ones which is currently around $1600. Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these units are more costly than the overhaul by clockworks.com anyway. We can charge only $900 for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive units.

Clockworks.com = The best repair service

We would love to do the overhaul here at clockworks.com and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only do it the hard way with no short cuts. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have clockworks.com work on your movement for this fact alone. A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already come lubricated with clock oil so there is no need to oil it. The clock comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring. This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions included) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath. The new movement can be swapped out by an experienced person in 10 or 15 minutes. An inexperienced person will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for mass produced clocks this is not the situation. This more related to a few individual clockmakers who may have designed the case to make it more tricky to get the movement in or out.

Summary

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul. It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best disguised Aliases

Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

Best to replace the movement

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm

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130/131 Hermle Clock Movement

To get a 130/131 Hermle Clock Movement all you need are the numbers off of the back plate. If the numbers match then the movement matches. If the clock is a pendulum unit, be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.


Hermle Clock Movement
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  • Balance Escapement
  • 33.2mm Hand shaft
  • 3 Hammer Below
  • Bim Bam Strike
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Ships same day as ordered
  • 130/131 Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

130-070 Hermle Clock Movement

The 130-070 Hermle Clock Movement runs 8 days on a single wind. It has two hammers behind the unit that will strike out the hours a the top of the hour, and strike once for the half hour. The Hermle 130 series has a 90mm plate diameter. They all take a #4 size clock key. The movement comes oiled and includes its improved balance for ease of fine timing. Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The Movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and its prelubricated.

Ordering a Hermle Clock Movement

When ordering a Hermle clock movement, the numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself are needed. The numbers are matched up so the new movement will be exactly the same as the old one. Replacing the movement is a fraction of the price of a repair, and it is the fastest way to get the clock up and running again.

Clock movement removal and installation

Removing and installing the clock movement requires the most basic tools. If you can change the spark plug on your lawn mower, this will be a breeze. All of the Hermle clock movements are in stock and ship immediately. We are full time clock makers and retailers. This means if you need assistance in picking out the correct Hermle clock movement, installation or troubleshooting issues, we can help. Please do not hesitate to ask.

Matching the CM when ordering

This note only applies if your Hermle clock movement has a pendulum. You will need to match up your CM length from the back plate of your old unit to the new one. The options indicated all that is available by stock. If there is a CM number you need but is not listed we can still create it most likely by changing some gears. If this is the situation please just give us a call 800 381 7458. There is an extra fee for the regearing of the movement. Usually this fee is $30 to $40 additional.

Conclusion

Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.

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If Not Listed

If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.