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New Clock Movement Benefits
New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of a restoration. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.
Servicing the movement
Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement.
The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.
Every time the movement needs to have work done on it or needs bushings, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. So another new clock movement benefit is that this would not happen.
The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again.
This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul on a clock movement could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year.
It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new clock movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.
Replacing with a new clock movement
If the clock movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new clock movement. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work.
The new clock movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old clock movement so that it is better than new.
Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the clock movement better than a new one.
A new clock movement is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when you first made the purchase from the store. The new clock movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the clock movement is the same.
It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new clock movement instead of chasing the old?
The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.
Movements That Would Need a Repair or an Overhaul
If a new clock movement is not possible, then a repair is most likely the only option. However we will try to convert it to a new clock movement that is close and easy to adapt.
If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to have us work on it. Another clock movement to consider having restored instead of replacing it is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement.
The price of a tubular bell new clock movement makes an overhaul more attractive. This is due to the high price on the new clock movements which is over $1600.
Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these new clock movements are more costly than the overhaul by Clockworks anyway.
We can charge a much lower amount for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive new clock movements.
Clockworks = The best repair service
We would love to do the clock movement overhaul here at Clockworks and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only repair clock movements the hard way with no short cuts.
Even with new clock movements, we inspect them and make sure all is well before shipping them out. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.
The clock movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have Clockworks work on your clock movement for this fact alone.
A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here. If a new clock movement is not possible, then this repair is your best and only option.
The new movement
New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already have lubrication with clock oil so there is no need to oil it.
The new clock movement comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring.
This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the clock movement, besides the dial and weights.
Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions are sent via email) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath.
The new clock movement can then be put in by someone with experience in 10 or 15 minutes. A person with no experience will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. This is definitely a new clock movement benefit.
There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for clock movements that were in a mass production this is not the situation. This relates more to a few individual clockmakers who's design of the case makes it more tricky to get the new clock movement in or out.
Summary of New Clock Movement Benefits
A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul.
It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.
Urgos Clock Movements Not on the List
Only the three weight clock movements are currently being made. However, not all of them because some are now obsolete. Assuming we are working with a three weight movement in this section and not a two weight unit or spring driven.
The two weight units are in another section and we call them the UW7/ series.
Same with the spring driven UW6/ series these are no longer made but we have a section covering what can be done with Hermle instead.
Urgos movement number explanation
Upon every production run the movement number changes. The factory will produce the movement for years and then take a break on that series. When they start cranking them out again they call it a different name.
So an old movement with a certain name may have the same movement available new but has a different name. What was once an 03086 is now known as 03096 and so forth.
This could be done a few times over in the time span of 40 or 50 years. So what you often need to do is convert the old number to the new number.
However not all numbers are on the list or are available for sale. This does not mean we do not have it to offer, it only means we would need to figure out what the new conversion is.
Urgos movement numbers in Simple Terms
The movement numbers usually start with a UW before the number. Ignore the UW for replacing the movement or converting the number. UW only means it is made by the Urgos clock company.
Also ignore the letters after the number, such as in the movement number UW32/1A. The A along with the UW is not anything you need to get a new movement. So we are only looking at the 32/1 only.
The three weight floor clock series only have the numbers starting with either 32 or 03 or 66. Example of starting with a 32 would be 32/1 and a 03 such as the 03101, the 66 as in 66020.
If the movement starts with a 32 it is a square unit and if it starts with 03 or 66 it is a larger rectangle on instead.
Urgos movement number not in the List
If the movement numbers match with the numbers we list just find the number and click it. The link will bring up the new movement to view and order the product.
If the movement number is not on the above list we need to figure out what the new number is and if its still made. What the numbers used to be may not be the same on the new units. Although the numbers may not match it will still be the same clock movement.
Urgos clock number conversions
Convert the three weight Urgos clock movement to the new number please use the below chart. This will match what the movement was known as as well as the new number.
With the new number it can then be found on the list of movements by Clockworks.com. Sometimes with three production runs you need to convert the number twice.
For example maybe the clock says UW32/1A, drop the UW and the A at the end and just look at 32/1 only. The replacement for the 32/1 is 32001 in one conversion and then there is still one more.
On another production run there was a change to the number again and now it is known as 32319.
So in the end the 32/1 and the 32001 and the 32319 are all the same unit with different names for the various production runs.
Urgos numbers with the / slash
If having a / in the number, it’s definitely the old system and therefore an older movement which has given its all for over 40 years. If it does not have a / it still may be the old numbering system as well. Either way, convert old number to the new and order the new unit.
If the old numbers have a / in it, replace that / with one or sometimes two zeros. Just think of the / as zeros in other words. EXAMPLE: 32/1 is the same as 32001 and is the same as the number 32319.
If you need assistance please contact Clockworks.com 800-381-7458 if getting VM it only means the phones are tied up and we will call right back. Our email address is [email protected]
Urgos UW7/ series clock movement
Urgos UW7/ series clock movement is a two weight small floor clock movement. These units were very popular in the 1960s and 1970's. That alone puts it over the life expectancy of being a 25 year movement by far and needs a new replacement.
If the movement is giving issues on top of this fact it is definitely time to either overhaul the old or get a new one if possible.
Repair or replace the Urgos UW7/ series?
The choice is obvious to get the new one for cost savings and life expectancy if possible and easy. Even when the movement is not made it is best to use a conversion to a different maker instead of having the repair work done.
This is only if it makes sense to do so and with this particular series it does. The two weight Hermle units are so close and there is not much to do with the conversion aspect on these.
The Hermle clock movement alternative
Urgos UW7/ series clock movement is no longer made and not available by Clockworks.com. However these can often convert to an equivalent quality new German clock movement.
Email the movement numbers off of the old unit to [email protected] with a picture from the back side and we will be happy to help you obtain a new movement or let you know if a repair is your only option.
Measurements We need from the customer
It would help to provide the length of the pendulum from tip to tip when its off of the clock. Also the length of the hands shaft from the front plate of the movement itself and all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads.
This last measurement requires the dial to come off. This measurement is from the front plate of the movement and all the way out. A movement plate is the two plates with all the gears in between. There is a front plate with its hand shaft sticking out and a back plate.
Urgos UW7/ Conversion requirements
Instructions for the new movement will be in an email to the customer upon checkout. However these are the specific things you need for the conversion aspect alone. These are the things that are in addition to what you would need when going from same to same.
Chime block location
The chime block may have to move from one place to another. This is because the hammer location on the Hermle clock movement may not be in the same location.
The bim bam units made by Urgos sometimes had the hammer location on the back of the movement. The Hermle replacement would have the hammers on the side for the bim bam instead of the back.
This is an example of when the chime block will need to move from mounting it in the back to mounting it on the side instead.
Urgos UW7/ Pendulum top swap
The top hook of the current clock pendulum will not hook up to the new movement the way it previously did.
The pendulum is fine however the top only would need to change for it to hook on to the new one. They do not cost much and of course is available at clockworks.com. The new top hook that you need is available for purchase.
The rest of the clock movement parts fit fine
The current weights are fine for the new movement and so is the clock hands.
There is nothing left to purchase besides the movement and the pendulum top hook. The new movement will come with the chains and already hasoil in all key areas.
Urgos UW6/ series clock movement
Urgos UW6/ series clock movement had a mass production in the 1950's through the 1970's. It was a popular unit for shelf clocks and wall clock applications because it was compact and ran a short pendulum.
The spring driven Westminster movement runs for eight days on a single wind up. It chimes either Westminster only or three songs with triple chime.
Urgos UW6/ series is no longer made
These are no longer made but are still the best choice to go with a new clock movement if at all possible. Just having this movement alone puts the age 40 years old or more so it is time to replace it even if it works fine.
So if its giving issues on top of this fact it is just time to do something with it either way.
Hermle clock movement alternative
clockworks.com offers a Hermle unit that is of equal quality to replace the Urgoes UW6/ series. The replacement movement would not be plug and play and there are some things you need to do.
In the end if its able and willing to be done the clock will have a new movement of equal quality. The movement will run another 30 years with out much complaint and is not hard to put in. Instead of the typical same with same movement swap the extra steps you need to do are in the list below.
The Urgos conversion steps
The typical same with same movement swap instructions will be in an email upon purchase. These are the steps you need to do for the conversion aspect alone.
As it is going from an Urgos movement to a Hermle movement there are some additional concerns to address.
Clock dial incompatibility
The locations of the winding arbors on the Hermle movement are in slightly different than the Urgos UW6/ series. The holes in the clock dial face will not line up with this new movement to wind the clock.
The customer could cover the old winding holes somehow and drill new ones to wind the clock. A sticky back metal or cardboard round disk does the trick or another creative idea. It only needs something to cover the old holes and drill new ones into that same disk.
Potential dial solution
Clockworks.com does have them to offer in gold and about 4 inches round with sticky backside. Even better than this is to get a new dial for the new movement.
There are so many dial shapes and sizes it is not a guarantee the same looking dial is available new. Please email Clockworks.com a picture of the old dial with some basic measurements.
Clockworks.com will see if we have the same looking dial that we can drill out with new holes to wind the clock.
Possible clock chime block work
Some applications of this conversion requires some handling of the chime block and rods. It is not common, but sometimes you need to reverse the direction of the chime block inside the clock case.
The reason for this is because the new unit may or may not have the hammer heads on the opposite side. In order to avoid purchasing a new chime block reverse the direction of the old one.
Working with the chime block
Not only would you need to reverse direction but also reverse the order of the rods within the block itself. The shortest rod would need to be where the longest rod was and continue down the line like this. Again, this is not something that is commonly in need of doing.
The reversal is only done to avoid the purchase of a new chime block and save cost. If you do purchase a new one, it would have the rods in the correct order and you would only need to put it in the new direction.
UW6/ Series Pendulum hook up
The pendulum may not hook up to the pendulum leader on the new clock movement. The leader is the part that the pendulum hangs onto on the back of the movement.
The top hook of the pendulum may or may not fit the new movements leader. If becomes an issue clockworks.com offers an alternate top hook for the pendulum if its the wood stick style.
If the clock takes a brass rod pendulum instead you may need to get a new pendulum with the new movement.
The rest is easy
The old key will fit the new movement the same as it did before. Clock hands are good to use with the new movement just as they did also. The pendulum length will be close enough to be able to regulate the time keeping.
Assistance = 800-381-7458
UW03108 Urgos Clock Movement
The UW03108 Urgos clock movement plays choice of three songs every quarter hour. At the top of the hour it will play the full chime followed by striking out whatever hour it is. This is a 100cm movement with a 53mm hand shaft length.
If the old unit says 03108, 03040 or 03042 or 03071 or 03110 this is the proper new Urgos clock movement everything will be the same as it was. The UW03108 clock movement is a rectangle unit that is cable driven with three weights. It runs for 8 days on a single wind up of the clock weights.
Mechanical movement replacement
Because this is the same clock movement only new, all the old components will fit the new unit just as they did on the old. Components such as the dial, weights, pendulum, hands, and chime block do not need a replacement to have a new movement. Please continue to read the following mechanical movement replacement notes.
Sold as only the new movement
Offering a brand new clock movement alone and does not come with the other components. The dial, weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, may be available as a separate purchase.
This high quality German movement comes with oil in key areas and includes its leader, suspension spring and hand nut.
Movement removal
Removal instructions to get the old unit out are within the installation instructions. The movement swap is not difficult, changing a car tire is along the same level of intensity.
After the hands and the dial are out of the way the movement will be in full view. The movement can come out by removing the two screws that mount it from the underside.
Movement installation
Installation is the reverse of the removal with some extra set up things to be done. The instructions will cover these few things to be done, and we are here if questions come up for the operation or installation. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.
A new clock movement is best
To reiterate the Mechanical movement replacement notes, it is less costly to replace a movement than a restoration of an old unit. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a repair ever would. It is just the best choice all around for a trouble free mechanical clock.
Urgos had gone out of business a while back and the Hermle bought the company and is still making the same movements with the same machines.
How do you adjust the winding stops for an Urgos 03042 grandfather clock
Wind the cables up the point of where the weight should be on the upside. Set the stopworks to be in the stop / lock position. The low side should take care of itself.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
The make and model of the clock that was given does not have a make and model…..it chimes every quarter hour and on the hour it chimes and will strike the hour…..can I send a picture of the inner works in order to identify the inner replacement movements?
Yes please do. Either here or ask this very same question with pic to clockworks@clockworks.com
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
We have a Emperor 475-A with a 501-M cable movement purchased in 1985. The movement needs to be replaced. Emperor lists a 501M/Urgos UW03108 replacement but does not have any in stock. Is the 03108 movement listed on your website the correct replacement for our movement and do you have any in stock? Also would it come with instructions for removal and replacement?
thanks
Yes in stock
Please order the 03108 from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/03108-urgos-clock-movement
Comes with instructions and support
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
The instructions sent don’t exactly match the movement that I purchased. We had to uninstall and make some adjustments to get the chime lever to go to all five positions. After re-installing we still have no chimes. We get a click every quarter hour but nothing else happens. The clock ran 10 1/2 hours after the first install. The center weight moved some but the outer weights did not.
Please help.
Sorry to hear your having issues getting the chimes going. This is a simple thing to fix up usually, please remove the hands and dial to focus on the issue at hand.
Please run it without the hands and the clock dial for testing the chime. It will narrow things down. Next, put the minute hand on just slightly to turn it to the next chime, and the next, let it strike out the hours fully. If it chimed and striked ok, your all set, put the dial and hands back on. What happened is the rack fell behind the snail (the hour hand tube) and brought it forward some. It brought the hour hand forward to the point that when the minute hand is installed it squashed the hour hand upon tightening the minute hand nut. With the strike squashed between the front plate and the snail, all sorts of weird issues occur. If this was a fail and the clock did not chime through this, continue with the below check points.
Be sure the clock’s silent lever is in the down position. This lever is at 3oclock on the movement. This is chime ON.
The chain cant be rubbing anything in its path like the seat board. Should be ratchet wheel straight to the weight, not rubbing anything.
Is the hammers hitting anything in its path when they move? If the hammers are rubbing the back of the clock case, or if there hitting or rubbing against each other, the clock will hang up and not chime
The heaviest weight on your right as you face the clock? The chime weight is the heaviest weight out of the three and goes in this position.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I’ve tried everything that you have suggested and found on your website. This movement has failed out of the box. The chime side does not work at all and the movement is periodically binding up to the point where the clock stops. I want to return this unit for an exchange, is there a replacement in stock?
Let us do a zoom support meeting first please. This way we can see the set up and help from here get that one set up.
Can we schedule a zoom meeting?
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
My Emperor Grandfather clock, 45 years old, runs too fast and will not adjust to required speed. It has an Urgos 501M, 03042B movement. I have observed a result of a problem. The second hand dial hand will take jumps of about 20-30 seconds occasionally. What would cause this? The clock was re-oiled in the past year. I thought maybe that would solve the problem, but it did not. Thanks for any information.
Roger Powell
[email protected]
The escape wheel is worn to the point where it is going rapid fire spin instead of tick and tock. This is the common wear point on this movement series. Its time for the new one. Even if you wanted to restore that one, it cant be done as the escape wheels are different now and that style is no longer available or sold.
Please order the 03108 from this link, it is the same unit as the old but with a new number name. (with some improvements over the years like the escape wheel)
https://www.clockworks.com/product/03108-urgos-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Couldn’t be happier with this movement.
Hi,
Glad to hear it
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Does the model ending in “B” have any difference compared to UW03108? I noted that this model has one less chime tune.
Hi,
No just ignore the B. Please order the 03108 from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/03108-urgos-clock-movement
More info here
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-movement/urgos-clock-movement.html
James
Hi from Manitowaning, Ontario, Canada. In 1997 I bought a used Hentschel Model #8293 grandfather clock that appears to have been by Hentschel in Ontario Canada. It has an Urgos UW0311B movement s/n 465790 that was made in Germany. It came with the original Hentschel clock manual and I’ve inserted notes over the years I’ve owned it, so even though I believe this info is correct, I could be wrong. Probably in the early 2000s, I removed the movement and installed it on a custom stand that I had built on my workbench so I could thoroughly clean, lubricate and test run the movement, then I reinstalled ii in the cabinet. It worked fine: time, chimes and gong until last year (2020) it started losing significant time. After experimentation, I found that it would keep acceptable time if I silenced the chimes and gong, assuming another cleaning was in order. This was fine until last month it again started losing unacceptable amounts of time. I’ve just ordered a replacement pendulum suspension spring SUS-B1 from Clockworks because the old one seems to have a slight twist and instead of the expected “tick-tock” sound , my wife and I agree it sounds more like “tick-ti-tock”. I ordered this spring based entirely on its appearance (identical to ours) and the 1-3/4″ length which I measured. Now I’d like to determine exactly which Urgos movement we have and would appreciate your comments. If the replacement pendulum suspension spring doesn’t solve the problem, I may be interested in obtaining a new movement if it will simply drop in place without any serious modifications. thanks for your time!
Gary
Hi,|
Gladly. However the numbers provided of 0311 is not valid, please check the number and try again as they say.
Maybe it is 03101 ?
James