241-080 and other Hermle Clock Movement 241 units are described on these tabs.
Hermle 241 clock movement
Hermle 241 clock movement is a compact chain driven, two weight movement. This unit runs eight days on a single wind up and comes as a pendulum movement only. It is a nice clock for smaller floor clock models and works well in a shaker style case. It can also be used in wall clock cases such as a wag on the wall or Vienna style clock.
Chains, hand nut, leader and suspension spring are included with the clock movement. Weights, pendulum, dail, hands or chimeblock sold separately. This page is for the Hermle 241 clock movement alone as a replacement or to piece together a clock kit.
A simple clock movement to work with and is easy to swap out a worn out old unit. Once the hands and dial are off, things get easy. Two screws underneath the movement is all that is holding it in the clock case. There is only to get the weights and pendulum out of the way, there is two screws to deal with. Installation of course is just the reverse, comes with instructions for a couple set up steps and your done. If there is any road blocks during this simple process just contact us with your questions. We have been clock makers and clock repairmen for 100 years in this family. We can help long after the factory warranty is gone with your questions or if you need parts.
The speed of going from a broken clock to a working new movement is the shortest possible route. The alternate route is to have the movement overhauled. However this requires twice the price of the new one, and you will get back a used movement in 1 to 2 months later. The choice is pretty clear to just get the new unit and be done with the project. The movement will last another 25 years for less cost and quick. We ship everyday so it will go out the same day or the next business day from MA USA.
241-070 and 241-040 No longer made
Clock movement 241-070 and 241-040 is no longer available. These two weight, chain driven units were very popular in the clock world but they are now obsolete.
What to do?
We can overhaul the clock movement for you. However this is expensive and you would still be left with an old movement. It will cost around $500 and we will clean oil bush and polish the pivots. Test it and ship it back in about a month or two. This would be the best way to get the clock running if there was no alternative.
The best alternative
There is a clock movement in the 241 series that can be adapted to fit. The closest equivalent to that movement would be the Hermle 241-080. The only difference with this unit compared to your old unit is it will come with a bell on the top. This is instead of having a coil gong (or bells) on the back side of the movement. So you would remove the coil gong from your clock case because you will no longer need it. This new 241-080 Hermle clock movement will come with chains, hand nut, leader, and suspension spring.
The new unit also comes with a bell on top included and installed, so now the clock will have a bell strike clock instead of a gong strike clock. Your clock weights and pendulum and clock hands will all the same as it was and these parts will work on your clock.
The bell strike sounds nice, it is more popular compared to the coil gong.
It is still best to get the new Clock movement 241-070 and 241-040 instead of chasing the old one. To have the old one overhauled instead would cost 2-3 times the price of the new one, and would still not last 25-30 years like the new one would. You get a brand new unit instead of a shined up old unit for a fraction of the price. Comes with instructions and support from a family with 100 years of clock making and clock repairing.
- A fraction of the price of an overhaul
- Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
- Instructions and expert support
- Hermle Clock Movement of Germany
Clock movement 241-070 Conversion
The obsolete 241-070 two bell back unit can be replaced with the 241-080 one bell top clock movement. Instead of the bell or bells on the back of the movement it will now be on the top. The one bell top unit is the same in every other way. The plate size to part compatibility and so forth is the same, so its the best alternate unit. This means your clock weights and pendulum, dial, hands, mounts will all be the same.
The 241-070 was a popular unit for many years. It is a good thing there is something that makes a new unit, regardless of the bell location. The pendulum length most popular for the 241-070 was 94cm. This was measured from the top of the unit to the very bottom of the rating nut threads. This length is not stocked in the 94cm for 241-080 series but we make it up special. We take new gears we have here and swap them out in the new movement. These gears are in the time train and create the pendulum length where the clock will keep approximate time. So it is listed as an option on the drop down list but with a fee included in the price. The regear of the movement to match up with your old and hence be able to use the pendulum in its current length.
Conversion from old to new is still able to be done, despite the 241-070's obsolete status. The conversion only makes the clock movement have a bell on top instead of on the back. It is already oiled and comes with instructions for installation. Installation is easy on this series as its only held in with two screws underneath the clock movement. These screws go up into the pillar posts. The pillar posts on the bottom of the unit have threaded holes. Conversion from the 241-070 clock movement to the 241-080 is fast and simple.
About Hermle Clock Movements
Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. To go and get it overhauled like you normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it. But as you see, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price. So what happens is you get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, you get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. You will save hundreds of dollars doing it also.
All the Hermle clock movements we offer is the best grade. In other words there are a couple styles some units have that are not as good as others. There are various movements that have more than one grade. Some units can have plastic for the hour hand tube and the next wheel down, instead the better brass. Meanwhile the number is the same for both grades. In other words there is the economy grade and there is the full grade, on some movement series. To get the movement from someone besides clockworks.com, you may not know what one you will get. Please know that Clockworks.com will only ship the best grade Hermle clock movement available, every time.
What you will get
Each one of the these fine Hermle clock movements come already oiled, will come with the hand nut also. If it is a pendulum style clock, it will come with the suspension spring and the pendulum hanger (leader). If its a weight driven clock, it will come with new chains or cables and with pulleys. So this will be the movement with its hammer assemble on. This is the complete movement that comes out after you get in your hands and walk away from the clock with it. No weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, dial all this you have already usually.
When you place your online order you will get a receipt emailed to you providing you put in the correct email address. If you do not get a receipt, please check your spam folder for the receipt from us. On the receipt is the link to click for the instructions for your product. The Hermle clock movement ships from Huntington, MA 01050 USA and sometimes from other locations also. The movements go out the next business day unless there is something we have to do to it such as a regear. The Hermle Clock Movements ship out UPS or sometimes FedEx. Never USPS unless there is a special request or you are an international customer.
Mechanical Clock Movement Issues
Mechanical Clock Movement Issues arise after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the movements brass plates.
If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.
This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.
New Mechanical Movement Reasons
New Mechanical Movement Reasons to get the new one when we can just repair the old one? The reason is because it is still in production. Its still made in mass production in Germany, so this means its available for a lot less cost. Even the best repair job from the best repair professional, cannot make it as good as a new one.
New Mechanical Movement Reasons are because it can ship from USA the same day you order it. The time it takes you to get you're clock up and running is very short. A repair can usually take months and then you are still left with a used overhauled movement rather than a new one.
When you receive a new movement it is the same as you're old movement. All clock component parts such as weights will fit on to the new movement. The cost of a new movement is less and when it's installed it should last another 25-30 years without intense service. Over the years, if there is improvements that can be done on the movement, the factory updates them. We here at Clockworks offer only the highest grade mechanical clock movements and they come with a 2 year warranty.
The new unit will cost less and ship now. It will be far better in every way than getting the old one restored. You will have a new movement in days instead of the used one back in months.
Hermle Clock Movement Aliases
Hermle produced clock movements and used aliases for names in a way. The movement could be stamped many names but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many they were able to get there name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.
The best disguised Aliases
Seth Thomas also Mason and Sullivan had not only there name, also there own internal numbering system. This was stamped on the movement, instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to be converted to what the real number is . This is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.
It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. You do not have to think and decide if repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business long ago and the unit is over its lifetime. The lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. Both ST and Mason Sullivan on the movement would indicate the clock is about 40 years old.
The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy
Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks used only their name, and not there own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin you can just look at the number and forget the name. The numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement its 3 or 4 digits followed by a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. Like this 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.
Other Names Used
- S. Larose
- Mason & Sullivan
- Tally Industries
- Seth Thomas
- Howard Miller
Hermle Number Examples
Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If your clock numbers are similar to this, its made by Hermle.
- 451-050 94cm
- 451-030 66cm
- 341-020 45cm
- 1151-050 114cm
- 451-053 94cm
- 1161-853 114cm
- 141-070 45cm
- 351-050 55cm
- 1161-850 94cm
- 241-070 94cm
241 Hermle Clock Movement
To get a replacement 241 Hermle Clock Movement all you need are the numbers off of the back plate.
If the numbers match then the 241 Hermle Clock Movement matches. If the clock is a pendulum unit, be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.
241 Hermle Clock Movement
Assistance = 800-381-7458
- 33mm or 27mm Hand shaft
- Included Leader
- Bim Bam or bell Strike
- Chain Driven
- Comes Oiled
- A fraction of the price of an overhaul
- Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
- Instructions and expert support
- Ships same day as ordered
- Hermle of Germany Made
241-081 Hermle Clock Movement
The 241-081 Hermle Clock Movement runs 8 days on a single wind up. It has one hammer on the top that strike one included bell. The 241-081 Hermle Clock Movement will strike out the top of the hours, and then once for the half hour. This high quality weight driven German 241-081 Hermle Clock Movement comes pre oiled and includes its leader, suspension spring and hand nut.
Ordering a Hermle Clock Movement
The movement numbers off of the Hermle clock movement are needed when ordering. The numbers are matched up and it will be the exact same movement as the old one. Replacing the movement is a fraction of the price of a repair, and the clock will be up and working the fastest way.
Clock movement removal and installation
Removing and the installing the clock movement only requires the most basic tools. If you can change the spark plug on your lawn mower this will be a breeze. All the Hermle clock movements are in stock and can ship immediately. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance please ask. This goes for the installation or ordering a Hermle clock movement, if you need help please let us know.
Matching the CM when ordering
This note is only if your ordering a movement that has a pendulum. You will need to match up your CM length from the back plate of your old unit to the new one. The options indicated all that is available by stock. If there is a CM number you need but is not listed we can still create it most likely by changing some gears. If this is the situation please just give us a call 800 381 7458. There is an extra fee for the regearing of the movement. Usually this fee is $30 to $40 additional.
Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.
Hermle Clock Movement Directory, Number starts with.....
Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation
Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains your clock movement. The Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers, and then followed by a - dash and then some more numbers. Examples = 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and similar. So if your clock says something like 1161-053 you would drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. This will bring you to the page where 1161-053 and the rest of the 1161 series resides.
If Not Listed
If your Hermle movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we maybe able to create it out of what exists. Please email your movement number or a picture of the back plate to [email protected] If your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers as described it maybe made by someone else. The mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. This is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only however.