461-853 Hermle Clock Movement

$443.00

461-853 Hermle Clock Movement

461-853 Hermle Clock Movement is a Westminster chime unit with three weights that hang on cables. This high quality German movement comes oiled and includes its leader, suspension spring and hand nut

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Hermle Clock Movement 461 series, such as 461-853. Information on these units can be viewed on these tabs.

461 Hermle Clock Movement

The Hermle 461 series clock movement is either chain or cable driven, three weight, Westminster chime unit. It is the same movement as the 1161 series, but Westminster only instead of triple chime. In other words it plays one song instead of three. But really, people with triple chime clocks only listen to Westminster in the end because it sounds the best. The 461-853 is the most used of this series and is the most produced 461 also.

The movement

What is being offered on this web page is the 461 series clock movement only with out the pendulum, chimeblock or dail. These movement come as the movement itself with its hand nut and new chains or cables, also comes with the suspension spring and leader.

The support

We been working on clocks for 100 years in this family. If you get stuck, just as for help. In fact it does not matter if its 10 years from now, if you have questions, ask them by all means. The warranty on this movement from the factory is 3 years.

The speed

To get a clock movement overhauled can seem like forever. Besides costing 3 times the amount of money as the new one, it can also take months to finish. When its done you get a working used movement back and hope it works. Not with the new one! Ships today, already oiled, instructions to put it in, no knock offs it is the same unit, the choice is obvious. The new one will come with the cables and pulleys already installed, or the chains depending on what one, its already oiled and ready to go.

  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Hermle Clock Movement of Germany
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Hermle Clock Movement Identification

Most important is the identification of the Hermle clock movement and it requires locating the numbers on the back plate of the movement itself. This can be done by removing access panels, sticking a phone inside and taking a picture, or even a mirror. Use any possible means to get the number of the Hermle clock movement. This information is not in the manual that came with the clock or on the wood case. On the back plate of the Hermle clock movement there are numbers such as 451-050 94 cm. These numbers indicate everything there is to know about that particular mechanical Hermle clock movement.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the brass plates of the movement. So, when this happens, the clock movement will not run correctly. This is when the movement will need a cleaning or be replaced. Of course, a brand new movement is always your best option.

What wear and where

If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one. However, once the movement starts having problems due to the oblong pivot holes, something will need to be done. The clock will never stay running otherwise.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of an overhaul. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Getting the movement worked on

Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produces clock movements but the use of aliases is quite prevalent. The movement could have a stamp with any name but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many movements that they were able to get their name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best Aliases in Disguise

Seth Thomas and Mason and Sullivan had not only their name, but also their own internal numbering system. Their stamp and number was on the movement instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to have a conversion to the real number. Correspondingly, this is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

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461 Hermle Clock Movement

The numbers on the back plate of the 461 Hermle Clock Movement is everything one needs to get a replacement. If the numbers match then the movement matches. Please be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.


Hermle Clock Movement
Assistance = 800-381-7458


  • Brand New and Original
  • Plate Size 140 x 200mm
  • Chain or Cable Drive
  • Westminster Chime
  • A fraction of the price of an overhaul
  • Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
  • Instructions and expert support
  • Hermle Clock Movement of Germany

461-853 Hermle Clock Movement

461-853 Hermle Clock Movement is a Westminster chime unit with three weights that hang on cables. This high quality German movement comes oiled and includes its leader, suspension spring and hand nut.

Ordering a Hermle Clock Movement

The numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself are needed when ordering a Hermle clock movement. The numbers are matched up so the new movement will be exactly the same as the old one. Replacing the movement is a fraction of the price of a repair. It is also the fastest way to get the clock up and running again.

Clock movement removal and installation

Removing and installing the clock movement requires the most basic tools. If you can change the spark plug on your lawn mower, this will be a breeze. All of the Hermle clock movements are in stock and ship immediately. We are full time clock makers and retailers. This means we can help you from start to finish. If you need assistance in picking out the correct Hermle clock movement, installation or troubleshooting, we can help. Please do not hesitate to ask.

Matching the CM when ordering

This note only applies if your Hermle clock movement has a pendulum. You will need to match up the CM length from the back plate of your old unit to the new one. The options in the drop down menu ultimately indicate stock items that are available. However, if there is a CM number you need that is not listed, we can usually create it by changing some gears. If this is the situation please give us a call 800 381 7458. There is an extra fee for regearing the movement. Usually this is an additional fee of $30 to $40.

Conclusion

Replacing a movement is less costly than an overhaul. The movement will last another 25 years before needing any work. Since it is still in production, and offered at a very reasonable price, it makes sense to replace the movement. The clock will be problem free right away, instead of months. Plus it will inevitably last longer than an overhaul. There is no way you can get better than brand new. So please make the wise decision of replacing whenever possible.

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Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Above all, a Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains the proper clock movement. This is an important first step when ordering a new clock movement. Thus, Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers. Then a dash (-) follows and then some more numbers. For example: 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and so forth. So, if the clock says something like 1161-053 drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. Then this will bring up the page where the 1161-053 is as well as the rest of the 1161 series.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

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If Not Listed

If the old Hermle clock movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we may be able to create it out of what exists. However, we need to know the movement number. So please email your movement number. Of course a picture of the back plate is also helpful. Moreover, if your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers it may be made by someone else. Additionally, the mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. In any event, this is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only.

Additional information

Weight6 lbs
CM Length

94cm, 114cm

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