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Kieninger clock movement identification
The identification process is the first step to replace a Kieninger clock movement or any other components. To begin with, start with the movement number in order to purchase a new clock movement and to see the price and what it includes.
Also, these numbers are essential to get compatible components for the clock. Examples of some components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.
Decoding Kieninger clock movements
For example, let's say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.
- 1981 = If it is an on older unit, the 81 would be the year it was made. On new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
- K = The K is the movement series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
- 116CM = This is the pendulum length, in centimeters, from the top of the movement all the way down to the bottom of the rating nut. This is true only for the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.
Dating the Kieninger movement
In the above description, 81 is the date, however this is not always true in later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date that it was made. Rather that first number became an engineering code that has nothing to do with the date.
So it may or may not be the date code, ignore this as it is not pertinent to replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless there is a stamp on the back plate.
We can help
The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights.
If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chime hammers as well as chains or cables. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to us. We are happy to help with figuring out the best course of action. Similarly, Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone as well.
Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering
Kieninger clock movement ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime.
In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there are any other uncommon things after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities such as this.
Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement
First go to the letter that is also on the stamp on the back plate of the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first.
Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.
On that same drop down list with the CM list there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific qualities the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime.
If there are dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the whatever movement you have that matches the options.
After ordering the Kieninger movement
After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement you will receive a receipt via email. The installation instructions will also be sent via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units will include chains or cables.
The new movement will ship the next business day by FedEx ground or Priority Mail.
New Clock Movement Benefits
New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of a restoration. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.
Servicing the movement
Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement.
The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.
Every time the movement needs to have work done on it or needs bushings, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. So another new clock movement benefit is that this would not happen.
The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again.
This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul on a clock movement could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year.
It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new clock movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.
Replacing with a new clock movement
If the clock movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new clock movement. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work.
The new clock movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old clock movement so that it is better than new.
Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the clock movement better than a new one.
A new clock movement is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when you first made the purchase from the store. The new clock movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the clock movement is the same.
It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new clock movement instead of chasing the old?
The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.
Movements That Would Need a Repair or an Overhaul
If a new clock movement is not possible, then a repair is most likely the only option. However we will try to convert it to a new clock movement that is close and easy to adapt.
If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to have us work on it. Another clock movement to consider having restored instead of replacing it is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement.
The price of a tubular bell new clock movement makes an overhaul more attractive. This is due to the high price on the new clock movements which is over $1600.
Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these new clock movements are more costly than the overhaul by Clockworks anyway.
We can charge a much lower amount for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive new clock movements.
Clockworks = The best repair service
We would love to do the clock movement overhaul here at Clockworks and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only repair clock movements the hard way with no short cuts.
Even with new clock movements, we inspect them and make sure all is well before shipping them out. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.
The clock movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have Clockworks work on your clock movement for this fact alone.
A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here. If a new clock movement is not possible, then this repair is your best and only option.
The new movement
New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already have lubrication with clock oil so there is no need to oil it.
The new clock movement comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring.
This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the clock movement, besides the dial and weights.
Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions are sent via email) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath.
The new clock movement can then be put in by someone with experience in 10 or 15 minutes. A person with no experience will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. This is definitely a new clock movement benefit.
There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for clock movements that were in a mass production this is not the situation. This relates more to a few individual clockmakers who's design of the case makes it more tricky to get the new clock movement in or out.
Summary of New Clock Movement Benefits
A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul.
It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.
MS Series Kieninger Clock Movement
MS Series Kieninger Clock Movement includes MS, and MSU markings on the movement. They have a hand shaft length of 47mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads.
What the MS series clock comes with
This high quality German Kieninger movement comes with oil in key areas and includes its cables, suspension spring and hand nut.
These items would need to be purchase separate on a new clock build. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support. Please note the 9 bell replacement unit does not come with the bells.
Why a new Kieninger movement
Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. These movements last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The clock will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes with oil in key areas.
KSU versus MSU are cross compatible
The robust KSU movement is a very popular movement made by Kieninger. It has the thickest plates in the industry and more. This unit can be expected to run up to 35 years before a total restoration or a replacement needs to happen.
The MSU is the same movement but lower grade, it is cross compatible with the KSU movement series as a drop in replacement. These units have thinner plates and have a life expectancy of 25 years.
These units are the same in looks and function, the difference is the materials used. If weighing a KSU movement unit versus an MSU movement, it will be found that the KSU movement is much heavier.
It basically comes down to how much you like the clock and how long you would like it to last before needing to do an in depth service of it.
An older Kieinger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "MS" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 MSU 116CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.
Movement removal and installation
Removal of this movement is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.
My Movement isMSU 12. Had 12 chime hammers and 4 strike hammers. Is the Movement exact replacement?
Yes it is. All the components will fit up just as they always did
Author of Clockworks.com
I have an MSU 02 116cm movement. What is the replacement for this movement?
Is yours triple chime or Westminster only?
It is cable driven, right?
How long is the pendulum from tip to tip when it is off the clock ?
Author of Clockworks.com
I just got my new MS008 and you say it comes oils in KEY areas. Do I need to oil anything at all before install?
Yes the movement is oiled and ready to install
Author of Clockworks.com
Have, AJK MS002, 116CM, 354.435. 1. Are they still available? 2. if not …. What would be a comparable replacement either AJK or Hermle.
Clock Specs, H/M.. 610 931 … MVT WST CA PN Y MS116CM N OFF BRIDG… from label inside clock.
Please order the Kieninger MS series from this link
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a clock made by Colonial. We bought it new in 1986 and have it serviced at least twice since then. It has a Kieninger works. The back plate is stamped with
80 K 116cm. Could I replace it with a new MS or K works?
Also, can a clock novice like me be able to replace this unit with my wife
helping? Thanks for any information you can supply.
Yes either will work just as it always did.
Please order the MS series in triple / cable / 116cm from this link
Or please order the K series with the same, from this link
Author of Clockworks.com
How about the second part of my questions. Can I do this change over myself without any special equipment?
Yes all it takes is a Phillip screwdriver, flat head screwdriver, needle nose pliers, usually.
Comes with instructions
Comes with support
Author of Clockworks.com
This is a first time build for me.
Does the MSU “Concerto” drive play the Hymn to Joy (Beethoven)?
Also, this is only the clock movement, the face plate, pendulum, and weights are not included. Right?
Correct and correct. It is the movement only, its best not to get that one on a new build because you will not find the chime block required for that one.
Best to go with a kit,
like this one
Author of Clockworks.com
I have an Kieninger MS007 but I only see the MS008 for sale. Are they interchangeable?
Please double check the numbers and provide again, just to verify that maybe one of the numbers is not correct.
Is this one triple chime (3 songs) or Westminster only?
Do the weights on the clock hang on cables or chains?
How long is the pendulum tip to tip when you take it off of the clock?
What is the hand shaft length from the FRONT PLATE of the movement all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads?
Need to know this, the dial comes off for this measurement I know there is stuff in the way but we need from the front plate of the movement. You know how the movement consists of two plates with gears in between? Well we need to know from the front plate out, how long the shaft is that holds the hands.
I have a Kieninger chain driven triple chime grandfather movement that I purchased from mason and sullivan in 1973. The only marking other than Kieninger is the number 72. Do yopu have a replacement for this movement ?
Sounds like the H002 series, see it at this link
These are no longer made, and we have only one left new.
I am in need of an msu12 movement with 12 and 4 hammers, I was looking at one on line but I was not sure if it has the correct number of hammers. Could you help me find the correct movement.
I have a Sligh grandfather clock, 116cm and I need a replacement mechanism, it has 3 cables and 3 different tones, what do you have that would be a compatible replacement
Please order the Kieninger K series from this link with 116cm selected
M 12 116 cm
Is this movement number?
Yes we offer that series at this link