Regula Cuckoo Movement Identification
Regula Cuckoo Movement Identification
Most cuckoo clocks made after 1950 have movements that are made by the Regula cuckoo clock movement company. Any cuckoo clock made after this time has an 80 percent chance of being a Regula.
Most of the time there will be identification markings that will reveal if it is a Regula cuckoo clock movement. But to be certain use these methods for identification.
Regula Cuckoo Conversions
Here are some common measurements conversions for the pendulum length. The pendulum on a Regula cuckoo is from the top of the movement to the center of the leaf. The movement will be stamped with this number usually. It will have a stamp with a CM length usually on the left side of the back plate.
- 19.5cm = 7 3/4 Drop
- 23.5cm = 9 1/4 Drop
- 28.5cm = 10 1/2 Drop
- 40cm = 15 3/4 Drop
Two train or three train movements
If the clock has two weights that run the movement, identifying it as a Regula is simple. When we say two weights, it means on the movement only.
There may be three weights on the clock, but only two weights are on the movement itself. In other words, there are three train movements that take three weights. A three train movement would have three weights on the movement itself.
However, we are talking about two weights on the movement regardless if the clock has three weights on it. One could be for the music box. This is separate from the movement itself. If the movement alone takes two weights, we call this a two train movement.
This means the movement has two sides of gears from big to little inside the plates. One for the cuckoo and one for the time. If the clock movement itself takes three weights, this of course is a three train movement.
Two train, two weight Regula Identification
See if the cuckoo movement says 25 or 34 on it. This would be above the wheel with the spikes that make the bellows go up and down. Above this wheel and to the right a little, there will be numbers that are in a stamp right in the brass.
It may have more numbers or letters after the 25 or 34 but don't pay attention to anything but the a href="/product/regula-25-cuckoo-movement">25 or 34 for now. The 25 means it is a one day clock that takes two weights. A 34 means it is an eight day clock movement that runs on two weights.
Both of these are the most common cuckoo clock movements made in the world. The 25 or 34 identification stamp alone means it was made by the Regula factory in Germany.
The two styles of the two weight movements
The two train, two weight movements come in two styles. One with a dancer platform and one without the dancer platform. Keep in mind just because there are dancers on the cuckoo clock, it does not mean there is an attachment. This is an important distinction when ordering a new cuckoo clock movement.
The two weight cuckoo movements with the dancer platform comes with the platform already on it. The platform is available in a few heights. This measurement, or height, needs to be known if purchasing a new movement. The dancer platform height is the distance from the top of the movement to the platform base itself.
The clock may say 25 on it for one day and 34 for an eight day. However, with these same identification marks they have either the platform or no platform. Therefore, these same numbers may be on the movement regardless if there are dancers or not.
To sum Up
- Figure out if it is a 2 or 3 train movement
- Determine if there is a a dancer platform and if so, is it already on the movement itself.
- On the brass back plate look for identification markings of a 25 or 34
- Order the dancer or non dancer Regula in the 25 for a one day or a 34 for an eight day movement
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Just acquired a Lotscher cuckoo clock. We cannot seem to find any picture of it anywhere so we can’t find the “name” of the design. We are curious to see how old it is and possibly what it is called. The clock has dancers, cuckoo and animals that move up and down with melodies. There are 3 chains, however the chain closest to the face of the clock just falls to the floor when we put the weight on so it seems it may have come off the sprocket (I am assuming that all 3 chains are on sprockets). Is that fixable? We do see markings 25/1-D, is the date code listed next to the 25 or 34 on the clock? I am attaching pictures, any information you could provide would be appreciated.
That is a chalet style one day cuckoo clock with a Regula clock movement. Get the new movement at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-movement-regula-25
Do not know the age but looks 80s – 90s
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi there! I have a chalet style cuckoo clock. Inside, engraved on the movement, it says: Made in Germany, Anton Schneider Sohn. clock 859. 25-c. It also says “synth oil” on the movement. It came with a pendulum and 3 weights each of which is engraved 275. It has a dancer platform which rotates and what appears to be a music box type mechanism which is controlled by the third chain/weight. It was apparently running at a point because it was at least serviced in 4/1994 from a sticker on the back of the clock.
My question is; What is the best way to see if it works? Should I just hang the clock and put the weights on? I already thoroughly dusted and cleaned the outside of the clock case, and the movement seems very clean.Should I I oil it? Thanks for your help!
Please see this link on the subject
https://www.clockworks.com/ebook/main/#!/cuckoo
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Thank you very much for your prompt response. Any idea as to the age of this clock based upon the information I’ve provided? I know it is at least 30 years old because it was serviced in 1994.
Beginning in 1970 they started using a letter code for the manufacturing date.Manufacturing Codes for “Regula” cuckoo clock movements.
The code is a single alphabetical letter stamped on the back movement plate. A=1970 or 1990; B=1971 or 1991, etc. The cycle repeats every 20 years. There is NO G, I, O, Q, Y or Z
Production Code Production year(s)
A 1970/1990/2010/2030
B 1971/1991/2011/2031
C 1972/1992/2012/2032
D 1973/1993/2013/2033
E 1974/1994/2014/2034
F 1975/1995/2015/2035
H 1976/1996/2016/2036
J 1977/1997/2017/2037
K 1978/1998/2018/2038
L 1979/1999/2019/2039
M 1980/2000/2020/2040
N 1981/2001/2021/2041
P 1982/2002/2022/2042
R 1983/2003/2023/2043
S 1984/2004/2024/2044
T 1985/2005/2025/2045
U 1986/2006/2026/2046
V 1987/2007/2027/2047
W 1988/2008/2028/2048
X 1989/2009/2029/2049
EXPLANATION:
Near the center of each movement, there is a LETTER stamped into the movement. This LETTER indicates the production year. The letter repeats every 20 years
Example: Movements produced in 1990 will have the same letter “A” as movements produced in 1970, 2010, and 2030.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
You’re amazingly prompt and thorough! Thanks!
Have a 34 hour black forest clock purchased in Germany in the late 90’s I believe. looks like a regula has no id other than made in west Germany 420 and a large OL maybe QL on it. THe door opening mechanism is different uses a plastic wiedht/roller setup and also the cuckoo levvers and gong setup has moved with the trigger device moved inside and mounted on chain wheel can you help me identify this movement?
Got a pic of the mvt?
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
i have tried to send you pics twice doesnt seem to go.
Try email instead clockworks@clockworks.com
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I forgot to mention it also has a plastic snail .
That one is no longer made. Best to repair that one
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I bought my cuckoo clock in 1972 in Germany. It is an 8-day clock, two chains, no platform. The original weights are lost. What size (how many grams) should replacement weights be?
Factory will say 1500 grams. I say they are saving on shipping costs and clock runs best on 1750. If older definitely 1750 is my answer. Do what you will.
This link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-weight
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Thank you.
One more question: My eight-day clock needs the weights pulled up every two days. What does “eight-day” mean?
Thank you.
Supposed to be 8 days till need to wind again. Be sure the clock is high up on the wall so it can use all its chain
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a Black Forest 8-day cuckoo clock that my father-in-law purchased in Germany years ago. It has a 3-weight Regula T.O. A72/1 movement and a 28.5 cm pendulum. It looks as if somebody tried to replace the cuckoo chain, which periodically hangs up. All three chains are of 1.2 mm brass, but while the other two chains are 46 LPF, the cuckoo chain is 44 LPF and stretched out. I’m assuming that someone replaced that chain with the wrong size, and that causes the cogs to bind.
All three weights are on the movement. It’s a Chalet style with dancers, waterwheel, and the cuckoo, with a “Der Fröhlicher Wanderer” music box.
Am I correct that I need to replace the 44 LPF chain with a 46 LPF chain? If so, where can I find the proper replacement chain?
Thanks,
Dave
Takes 48LPF, same as Regula 34. This link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-chain
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Good evening, I have this cuckoo clock that I received after my mother n law passed away. Everything was with the clock but the pendulum. Can you tell me what one I need to buy so I can make the clock work. I looked inside and found that Anton Schneider Sohne I assume is the maker, and GM 1884288 1692176 regula 25- D.are numbers I found. Hopefully you can help me. Thank you! I have spent all day looking at pictures to see if I could find it, but I had no luck so I am turning to you. Thanks again, look forward to hearing from you!
out of stock for now
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-pendulum-floral-chalet
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi!,
I have an Albert Schwabe / Regula 25-8 to repair. GM 1884 288 169 2176. It is a two train clock with an independent music box, driven by its own weight. The cuckoo is driven by the mechanism, and the other little figure is driven by the musical mechanism.
The old lady that owns it has lost the eights.. I am trying to find out what weights to buy. Any advice would be most welcome.
Best to run 320s on that one if it has some age
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-weight
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Can you tell me what company made this movement or what I can replace it with? The plate measures 77mm horizontally across the back plate and 61.6mm vertically across the back plate. There are no markings on the movement except for “Made in West Germany 410” in the lower right corner of the back plate. Thanks for what ever information you can give me.
David, your clock appears to be one made by the ‘Cuckoo Clock Mfg Co.’, which is now out of business. The movement is one made by the AMS company. Check out YouTube, “Repairing a 1day AMS movement “ by Mark Munnerlyn.
Maybe a very early Hubert Herr. Not made anymore. Best to bring to someone local for restoration
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a 3 weight clock and need to replace mechanisms. Stamped on brass is G.M. 1884288 and 1892176 along with “made in west Germany” and A25-82. What do I need to order?
Does the cuckoo have dancers on the top of it, attached to the movement?
Does the movement have three ratchet wheels inside or is one off to the side on a separate music box ?
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hello:
I have a 1-day cuckoo clock with the movement made by Regula. On the movement it is stamped 812536 and the number 20 on another area. It says “Made In Germany” and not “West Germany”, but I don’t know if that makes any difference. Someone wrote in pencil on the case 6/36. Could it be that old? Can you help me date this clock, please?
Most popular in 1960s and 1970s but still made through 1980s
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi, I’d like to replace a regula movement. The movement is stamped 25/76.
Other markerings are 1884288, 1892176, The weights are stamped 275 ET. bottom right is “Albert Schwab Karlsruhe
I assume that it is a regula 25 but what what length drop is it?
thanks,
Drop is from the top of the suspension post that the pendulum wire hangs on, to the center of the leaf where it used to keep approximate time
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Is this clock worth destroying? I want to carve my own but needed the guts. Thought it would be easiest to keep the housing and replace the accents. Keeping the dancers attached, maybe just painting them differently. Got it on eBay for less than a movement and music box.
In need of one of those dancers should you change them.
Do not have those type of dancers sorry to say
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Its modern, its not a valuable antique or anything, so SURE
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I’m having trouble finding replacement parts for my Regula movements; parts like the rack, alert lever and locking lever. I’ve tried sources like CousinsUK, Time Savers, Frankenmuth and your company with little results, any suggestions?
These are unusual non wear parts that are needed by you.
Please email some pics to clockworks@clockworks.com of the movement and maybe I have a used one to offer
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi, we have a cuckcoo clock with the Regula Clock 359 movement. After being out of town for a week we restarted the clock. For some reason now the dancers just play continuously until the chain weight runs out instead of just playing on the 1/2 hour and hour. We haven’t had any issues with the clock before going out of town. Can you offer any suggestions on how to correct this issue? Thanks for your time.
Not easy, best to put it on a stand where you can run it while looking at the back of the movement. There will be an arm that goes from the movement to the music box and if this bent over time slightly it will do this.
Not easy to explain but if you run it on the stand and watch the interaction you will see it
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
regula 859 shut off lever location and action
(during shipment, the lever came off)
Where can I find a diagram?
Hi,
See pics of shut off at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/regula-dancer-cuckoo-clock-movement-8-day
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I need to replace the works on my clock. It is marked REGULA 25-X GM 1884288 1692176. So I think the movement I need is the R25 but I am confused on the drop. When I measure from the top of the movement to the center of the leaf on the pendulum I get 8 1/4″. Which drop do I need?
To get the “Drop” length
The drop is the length of the pendulum measured in a certain way. This is measured from the top of the movement itself and all the way down to the center of the pendulum leaf. The pendulum leaf slides up and down but this measurement will be the center where it used to keep approximate time.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I measured the drop and got 8 1/4″ The choices I see are 7 3/4″ ; 9 1/4″ ; or 10 1/2″ Mine is none of these. Which would be the best one to use? Thanks
7 3/4 drop
May take some time to get it however, Germany is slow shipping post covid and at the moment they are out of stock everywhere.
James
Hi. Trying to find info on ST Coukoo #A-250-000.Made for ST clocks.Only other I’d is 150 stamp. Two chain no platform.
Thanks
Peter
No longer made. That one is a repair only.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
My only problem is my ratchet wheel clickers are slipping.
Yes this is understood. However things are slow shipping out of Germany covid. It maybe best to look on ebay for a junk unit for parts.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hello Ive got a cuckoo clock that needs a few parts. If you can help me that would be great. It has the Regula movement. It has some stamping on the back plate. It has the Pat# next to the #20. E. Schmeckenbecher also stamped. Not sure what that means. Is there unkind of digram that would provide P/N’s for the parts I need
Regula 20 is on long term back order at the moment.
We have cuckoo clock parts and bellows at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-parts/cuckoo-clock-parts.html
We have cuckoo clock repair help at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-repair/clock-repair-help-4.html
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi. I am trying to identify the clock movement in my grandparent’s cuckoo clock. There are no numbers/stickers on the case, the movement or on the pendulum. I have bought D Rod Lloyd’s book The cuckoo clock owners manual but can’t find it in there. I think the clock dates from around the 1960s and is a carved/nature clock. It does not work at the moment, I’ve attached a picture
Thank you in advance for any advice. I would really like to restore it but have no knowledge about clocks.
That is a novelty clock that was made for a very short time. That is about all I know about that one as it did not become very popular or mass produced.
James
Thank you, James. Sounds like it might be a lost cause trying to get it going again, but I’ll keep it for the memories alone.
Angie
I would like to get a movement replacement cost for a REGULA movement, 34/1, PENDELL 40 cm. The serial numbers on back plate are 1649313, 1674539, 17C4075, 17C5294. Also had a stamp marking “GM” on back plate.
Hi,
It is this cuckoo clock movement in the 40cm option
https://www.clockworks.com/product/regula-34-cuckoo-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Should the music box be cleaned in the same way as the clock movement?
Yes.
I’m unclear, if I buy a replacement movement do I have to purchase one with the dancer platform attached. Mine is a Regula 34A , pendulum 23.5cm.
Thanks
William
Hi,
We have it without the dancers at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/regula-34-cuckoo-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi how do I check my belows and the below timing on a regular 34 8day moment
Lift the flap to the bellow with your finger and look for rips. If you let go with your finger and let the flap fall, and it makes a good sound and it is not ripped, it is fine.
We have cuckoo clock parts and bellows at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-parts/cuckoo-clock-parts.html
We have cuckoo clock repair help at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-repair/clock-repair-help-4.html
James
how can you tell the year it was made
Manufacturing Codes For “Regula” cuckoo clock movements
The code is a single alphabetical letter stamped on the back movement plate. A=1970 or 1990; B=1971 or 1991, etc. The cycle repeats every 20 years. There is NO G, I, O, Q, Y or Z
Production Code Production year(s)
A 1970/1990/2010/2030
B 1971/1991/2011/2031
C 1972/1992/2012/2032
D 1973/1993/2013/2033
E 1974/1994/2014/2034
F 1975/1995/2015/2035
H 1976/1996/2016/2036
J 1977/1997/2017/2037
K 1978/1998/2018/2038
L 1979/1999/2019/2039
M 1980/2000/2020/2040
N 1981/2001/2021/2041
P 1982/2002/2022/2042
R 1983/2003/2023/2043
S 1984/2004/2024/2044
T 1985/2005/2025/2045
U 1986/2006/2026/2046
V 1987/2007/2027/2047
W 1988/2008/2028/2048
X 1989/2009/2029/2049
EXPLANATION:
Near the center of each movement, there is a LETTER stamped into the movement. This LETTER indicates the production year. The letter repeats every 20 years
Example: Movements produced in 1990 will have the same letter “A” as movements produced in 1970, 2010, and 2030.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi James, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. Can you tell me how many pendulum sweeps (tick-tocks) per minute the Regula 25 makes for it to be in correct time. I’m guessing 70.
Hi,
You got me, I do not know or have the answer on the BPH on that unit. However, all that is needed is to slide the leaf UP to speed the timekeeping, or down to slow it.
Cuckoo Movements
https://www.clockworks.com/product-category/clock-movements/mechanical-movements/cuckoo-clock-movement
Regula 25
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-movement-regula-25
James
Where do I find the number of links per inch fir the chain. Is it on the movement?
I have an 8-day GM clock from 1974
If the movement says 34 on the back plate anywhere, as seen at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/regula-34-cuckoo-clock-movement
it will take the Regula 34 chain from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-chain
James
James
Hello,
I have a clock i purchased new in Zurich in 1977 and am interested in replacing the movement because it no longer works.Unattended kids pulling on the chains to watch and listen to the bird have broken it. After reading your information, the clock has two weights each stamped 320.I removed the back cover looking for ID marks on the movement. The only markings are PENDELL 23.5 cm. Looking carefully, there are no other stamps to be found. Hopefully you can give me some information so I can try to either fix or replace this movement and get the clock back in working order.
Thank You,
Shanon
How can I get new click wheels for Mr regula 25, clock has 3 weights, chalet style with dancers and music box. Click is early 60 or late 50. Not sure, email me with suggestions on repairs. There are other numbers on the clock, Believe 2 different numbers
Hi,
Hi
Can you email some pics of the back of the clock, with the back off, to clockworks@clockworks.com and Ill be able to ID it
Thanks !
James
James,
Thanks for this very informative blog!
My Regula works are stamped “Made in West Germany.” Does that correspond to a certain date of origin range, say 1949-1990?
Also, the bellows appear to be kid-skin and work fine… is it possible they are original?
One last question: Can I run the clock without using the music box and not hanging that weight.
Thanks,
Daniel
Dates are right
Bellow cloth is most likely original, but does not mean much. It is not considered an antique in the clock world.
Yes
James
I have a Regula movement showing…. 20 GM1705294
Is this a very old unit and can I fit an alternative movement.
I have a GMNr 25 1884288 1892176. Juat aays 25 . theres no other marking except before the long row of numbers trying to find out how much it’s worth. Its in great shap.
We know only parts, and that movement sells for $120 new at this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-movement-regula-25
James
Thank you !
Hi I have ave clock that I need a new music governor for and I see you have one for a Regula 34 mine is a regula 25 mine has a broken plastic gear on it would your part work?
unfortunately this music box will not have the proper tooth count on the drive gear, and will not mesh properly. This will not be sufficient for your cuckoo clock. –Bob
I have a what appears to be a 3 weight clock with platform i bought in england in the late 80s.the only numbers i can find are regula 72 285 056 movement that might need replacing , is this available?
I have a 30 + year old cuckoo clock and would like to replace the movement. Backplate markings are as follows: Regula 25-A, Made in West Germany, Clock 859, GM 1884288 1692176. Drop appears to be 8 3/4. What woild be recommended?
Hi
That would be the 7 3/4 drop from this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-movement-regula-25
James
what would be the pendulum for this same clock. I have this same clock 1 day but no pendulum??
It would be the smallest size cuckoo pendulum from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/brown-maple-cuckoo-pendulum
James
Have a 1920 – 30 cuckoo. The pattern of the movement suggests it is a Regula 02. The movement isn’t identified but the pattern of the plate is certain. Is there any literature or specs available for these ?
I have a 2 train Regula Cuckoo stamed 23.5 cm Pendulum. I need a new Pendulum. Can you supply?
Hi
Is this an 8 day movement or one?
James
8 day movement. I’m not sure which size pendulum to order, I see 3 different sizes listed.
The maple style pendulums are at this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-maple-pendulum The one day clocks can only take the smallest or medium sized pendulums, and not the large one. On the other hand, the 8 day clocks can take the medium or large one only, and not the smallest one.
This is the oak style link = https://www.clockworks.com/product/cuckoo-clock-pendulum-oak-style
James
8 day
And I noticed that the leaf comes in 3 sizes and I don’t know which one to order
looking for a 12A 72 Pl265 works. Can you supply? Thanks John
Hi
We only offer the kind with the dancer platform attached to the movement at the moment.
If the dancer table comes out with the movement in other words, we maybe able to help with the new unit.
If the dancer table is separate from the movement, it is no longer available be we can restore the old unit for you.
Either way, can you email some pics of this one to clockworks@clockworks.com
I appreciate the response. Please send pictures and cost. Thanks John
It is reverse. We need pics of what you have, to see what we can do. Please
I have concluded this project is above my pay grade, so taking it to a clock repair person. I thank you for the reponce. John
HI
That is a tricky one, I will look into it on Monday for you and see if its available
James
Many Thanks !
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