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Kieninger clock movement identification
The identification process is the first step to replace a Kieninger clock movement or any other components. To begin with, start with the movement number in order to purchase a new clock movement and to see the price and what it includes.
Also, these numbers are essential to get compatible components for the clock. Examples of some components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.
Decoding Kieninger clock movements
For example, let's say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.
- 1981 = If it is an on older unit, the 81 would be the year it was made. On new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
- K = The K is the movement series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
- 116CM = This is the pendulum length, in centimeters, from the top of the movement all the way down to the bottom of the rating nut. This is true only for the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.
Dating the Kieninger movement
In the above description, 81 is the date, however this is not always true in later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date that it was made. Rather that first number became an engineering code that has nothing to do with the date.
So it may or may not be the date code, ignore this as it is not pertinent to replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless there is a stamp on the back plate.
We can help
If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chime hammers as well as chains or cables. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to us. We are happy to help with figuring out the best course of action. Similarly, Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone as well.
Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering
Kieninger clock movement ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime.
In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there are any other uncommon things after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities such as this.
Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement
First go to the letter that is also on the stamp on the back plate of the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first.
On that same drop down list with the CM list there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific qualities the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime.
If there are dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the whatever movement you have that matches the options.
After ordering the Kieninger movement
After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement you will receive a receipt via email. The installation instructions will also be sent via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units will include chains or cables.
The new movement will ship the next business day by FedEx ground or Priority Mail.
New Clock Movement Benefits
New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of a restoration. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.
Servicing the movement
Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement.
The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.
Every time the movement needs to have work done on it or needs bushings, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. So another new clock movement benefit is that this would not happen.
The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again.
This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul on a clock movement could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year.
It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new clock movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.
Replacing with a new clock movement
If the clock movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new clock movement. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work.
The new clock movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old clock movement so that it is better than new.
Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the clock movement better than a new one.
A new clock movement is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when you first made the purchase from the store. The new clock movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the clock movement is the same.
It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new clock movement instead of chasing the old?
The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.
Movements That Would Need a Repair or an Overhaul
If a new clock movement is not possible, then a repair is most likely the only option. However we will try to convert it to a new clock movement that is close and easy to adapt.
If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to have us work on it. Another clock movement to consider having restored instead of replacing it is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement.
The price of a tubular bell new clock movement makes an overhaul more attractive. This is due to the high price on the new clock movements which is over $1600.
We can charge a much lower amount for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive new clock movements.
Clockworks = The best repair service
We would love to do the clock movement overhaul here at Clockworks and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only repair clock movements the hard way with no short cuts.
Even with new clock movements, we inspect them and make sure all is well before shipping them out. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.
The clock movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have Clockworks work on your clock movement for this fact alone.
A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here. If a new clock movement is not possible, then this repair is your best and only option.
The new movement
New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already have lubrication with clock oil so there is no need to oil it.
The new clock movement can then be put in by someone with experience in 10 or 15 minutes. A person with no experience will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. This is definitely a new clock movement benefit.
There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for clock movements that were in a mass production this is not the situation. This relates more to a few individual clockmakers who's design of the case makes it more tricky to get the new clock movement in or out.
Summary of New Clock Movement Benefits
It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.
RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement
The RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement have a hand shaft length of either 48mm or 36mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out. So this measurement is from the very front plate to the end of the minute hand nut threads.
36mm is about an 1 1/4 inches and the 48mm is more like 2 inches. There is a big difference in length between the two units. This is a Westminster unit that is chain driven. Grandmother and Grandfather floor clock models both use this unit.
Why a new RK Kieninger movement
Replacing a movement is less costly than an overhaul. The RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since it's still being made at a fair price, it is so much better just to replace it. The movement will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than an overhaul and already comes with oil in key areas.
RK30 conversion (93cm with 36mm hand shaft)
The RK30 is no longer made or available. The RK30 is chain driven, Westminster only, 36mm hand shaft, with 93cm, R or RK stamp on the back plate. It will now be replaced with an SKO Kieninger movement, and will come with a new leader, movement shims, and longer seat board screws. As the hand shaft is in a lower position the shims with the new screws will go under the new movement to get the hand shaft where it always was with the RK30.
One thing to note about this conversion is if the dial had feet that locked into the old movement before, this will have to change. Due to the different movement plate size the feet will not lock into the new movement like it did in the past. There is a 50 / 50 chance if the old clock dial had the four feet to lock into the movement or not, many are not made like this. If the dial had the feet on the back, this will have to change. Snap the dial feet off by bending them over, drill the corners of the dial with small holes, use small wood screws to attach the dial to the wood trim instead.
So if ordering the 93cm with the 36mm hand shaft, you will be shipped the conversion kit described instead of the exact movement as the old.
What the RK Series Kieninger Clock comes with
This high quality RK Series Kieninger clock movement comes with oil in key areas and includes its chains, leader, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support.
Kieninger movement decoding
An older Kieninger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "R" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 RK 116CM. However the first number on it in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.
Movement removal and installation
Removal of the movement is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This RK Series Kieninger Clock Movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers, so if you need any assistance with the install we can help.
Obsolete 93cm and 36mm hand shaft unit alternatives
The Kieninger RK series is no longer available with the 36mm hand shaft length and 93cm pendulum length. They are not made and there are none in the country at this time. We do have some options however, which are in the list below.
RK with 48mm hand shaft and 93cm (RK034)
This is the same unit but with a longer hand shaft length. That is the shaft that the hands go on, will be 12mm longer than the 36mm hand shaft unit, making it 48mm long instead.
Dial modification and mounting method
The dial can attach to the wood case instead of the movement itself. That is if it currently has the mounting method of the four posts that stick out the back of the dial, and these lock into the movement itself.
You would need to remove these posts by bending them over and snapping them off. Then, drill four small holes in the corners of the dial, and use small wood screws to attach it to the dial wood trim from the back side.
The movement will have to be put back more in the clock case towards the chime block. Sometimes the chime block is on a spacer block that can be taken out or get a smaller block. Also the hammers are to be bent back on the movement itself, and if this is extreme in the current situation, the new one may be good where it currently mounts.
RK with 36mm and 80cm (RK014)
Us a shorter pendulum length unit and cut down the current pendulum in use by 13cm thus making it shorter. Or, we can restore the old unit instead.
Measure the hand shaft from the front plate of the movement all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads. The pendulum length is approximate, and this measurement is from the top of the movement all the way down to the bottom of the pendulum nut threads.