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Kieninger clock movement identification
The identification process is the first step to replace a Kieninger clock movement or any other components. To begin with, start with the movement number in order to purchase a new clock movement and to see the price and what it includes.
Also, these numbers are essential to get compatible components for the clock. Examples of some components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.
Decoding Kieninger clock movements
For example, let's say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.
- 1981 = If it is an on older unit, the 81 would be the year it was made. On new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
- K = The K is the movement series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
- 116CM = This is the pendulum length, in centimeters, from the top of the movement all the way down to the bottom of the rating nut. This is true only for the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.
Dating the Kieninger movement
In the above description, 81 is the date, however this is not always true in later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date that it was made. Rather that first number became an engineering code that has nothing to do with the date.
So it may or may not be the date code, ignore this as it is not pertinent to replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless there is a stamp on the back plate.
We can help
The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights.
If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chime hammers as well as chains or cables. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to us. We are happy to help with figuring out the best course of action. Similarly, Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone as well.
Kieninger Clock Movement Ordering
Kieninger clock movement ordering starts with the numbers off of the back plate of the clockworks. The numbers help us figure out the correct unit by plate size. After we get the plate size we narrow it down by attributes such as triple chime.
In other works all the units that have the letter K on the back will have the same plate size. After we determine we have a K series we select things like triple chime or Westminster only. If there are any other uncommon things after that we select it. Such as sequential or carousal or other special qualities such as this.
Steps to a new Kieninger clock movement
First go to the letter that is also on the stamp on the back plate of the movement only. If for example the movement number is 81 K 116cm ignore all but the K at first.
Find the K series on the Kieninger movement page at Clockworks.com. Then we can continue with matching up the CM in the drop down list.
Attribute selection
On that same drop down list with the CM list there are some other options usually. The options to select are the specific qualities the movement may or may not have on the movement. Such things as Westminster only or triple chime.
If there are dancers on the movement it may say carousel. Just pick the whatever movement you have that matches the options.
After ordering the Kieninger movement
After ordering the new Kieninger clock movement you will receive a receipt via email. The installation instructions will also be sent via a link on the receipt. Weight driven units will include chains or cables.
The new movement will ship the next business day by FedEx ground or Priority Mail.
New Clock Movement Benefits
New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of a restoration. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.
Servicing the movement
Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement.
The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.
Every time the movement needs to have work done on it or needs bushings, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. So another new clock movement benefit is that this would not happen.
The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again.
This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul on a clock movement could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year.
It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new clock movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.
Replacing with a new clock movement
If the clock movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new clock movement. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work.
The new clock movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old clock movement so that it is better than new.
Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the clock movement better than a new one.
A new clock movement is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when you first made the purchase from the store. The new clock movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the clock movement is the same.
It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new clock movement instead of chasing the old?
The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.
Movements That Would Need a Repair or an Overhaul
If a new clock movement is not possible, then a repair is most likely the only option. However we will try to convert it to a new clock movement that is close and easy to adapt.
If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to have us work on it. Another clock movement to consider having restored instead of replacing it is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement.
The price of a tubular bell new clock movement makes an overhaul more attractive. This is due to the high price on the new clock movements which is over $1600.
Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these new clock movements are more costly than the overhaul by Clockworks anyway.
We can charge a much lower amount for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive new clock movements.
Clockworks = The best repair service
We would love to do the clock movement overhaul here at Clockworks and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only repair clock movements the hard way with no short cuts.
Even with new clock movements, we inspect them and make sure all is well before shipping them out. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.
The clock movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have Clockworks work on your clock movement for this fact alone.
A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here. If a new clock movement is not possible, then this repair is your best and only option.
The new movement
New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already have lubrication with clock oil so there is no need to oil it.
The new clock movement comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring.
This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the clock movement, besides the dial and weights.
Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions are sent via email) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath.
The new clock movement can then be put in by someone with experience in 10 or 15 minutes. A person with no experience will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. This is definitely a new clock movement benefit.
There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for clock movements that were in a mass production this is not the situation. This relates more to a few individual clockmakers who's design of the case makes it more tricky to get the new clock movement in or out.
Summary of New Clock Movement Benefits
A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul.
It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.
K Series Kieninger Clock Movement
The K Series Kieninger Clock Movement are the most produced 3 weight movement series that Kieninger has created. They have a hand shaft length of 47mm from the front plate of the movement and all the way out to the end of the minute hand nut threads.
Why a new Kieninger movement
Replacing a movement is less costly than a overhaul. The K series clock movement last 25 years before needing an over haul, but since its still being made at a fair price it is so much better just to replace. The K series clock movement will be problem free right away instead of months, last longer than a overhaul and comes oiled.
What the K series clock comes with
This high quality German Kieninger movement comes oiled and includes its cables, suspension spring and hand nut. The movement will have removal and installation instructions and our support. Please note the 9 bell replacement unit does not come with the bells.
Kieninger decoding
An older Kieninger clock movement will have the date first, then the series "K" and the CM length on the back plate of the movement. Such as 83 K 116CM. However the first number on in the later years was no longer a date code and more of an internal code for the factory.
Movement removal and installation
Removal of the is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.
Hi i am trying to replace an 82k 93cm triple chime movement. Do you have this part or a comparable replacement?
Yes please order the K series with 93cm – cable – triple options selected from this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
HI
Yes you could say that. The 03 series is top of the Urgos line.
HI
Yes you could say that. The 03 series is top of the Kieninger line.
The term flagship usually implies the Hermle 1171 series. May I ask what you are trying to do? Replace a movement?
I am looking for a KRSU/003 movement for a triple chime Howard Miller Grandfather clock purchased in 1984
Hi
That would be the K series in triple chime and your CM length that is stamped on the back plate
We offer it at this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
Hi do you sale kieninger movement flagship model ?
HI
Flagship is more like a Hermle term.
I suppose flagship Kieininger would be the H series or the 9 tube.
Is this what your referring too?
I have a grandfather clock I built with my father in the early 70’s. The movement has stopped working. I wish to replace it. The movement is a Kieninger 75R 116cm What is the appropriate equivalent?
Hi
Is that the triple chime version or the westminster only?
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It is a triple chime movement
Yes
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Ok good that is the RU series found at this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-ru-series-kieninger-clock-movement We know it is 116cm We going to need to know how long the hand shaft is.
The hand shaft comes in two lengths, that is the shaft that the hands go onto. These lengths are 36mm or 48mm and is measured from the front plate of the movement and all the way out to the end of the hand nut threads.
There was never a time where any other length was made, so if it is close to say 36mm, just order the 36mm and it will be right.
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i need the weights for this unit? where could i find them?
That clock takes 1 weight at 7.7LBS and two weights at 9.9LBS from this link if the pendulum bob diameter is 8 1/2 inches wide or more
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-parts/clock-weights.html
Or it takes 2 weights at 7.7LBS and 1 weight at 9.9LBS from this link if the pendulum bob is less than 8 1/2 inches wide
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-parts/clock-weights.html
The heaviest weight would go on your right as you face the clock.
The lightest weight will go on your left as you face the clock.
The middle is light or heavy depending on the bob diameter.
(The larger bob diameters require more weight in the center.)
I am looking for a replacement movement for a grandfather clock. It was purchased in 1978 and is now pretty much worn out. On the back plate we find the Kieninger logo. Below the logo it says “Original Kieninger. Made in Germany. No (0) jewels unadjusted. 75 “. That’s all. The brass plate measures 9 inches in width and 6.25 inches in height. It is a triple chain movement. Can you offer any help?
Hi
Please order the Kieninger H series with triple chime selected from this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-h-series-kieninger-clock-movement We have 3 left, then they are not available new any longer.
James
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That is the H series from this link in triple chime https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-h-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James
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Do you have a 82 R65 CM
Out of stock, but we can restore that one for about $800
We do the best job and only need the movement alone
Jame
Thank you !
I found a Howard Miller Chateau model 610-520 mech 451-30 but it does not have the chains or the weights. What size chains go with this clock and what size weights and the # are proper for this unit
Hi
Clock needs 1 weight at 4.7LBS and two weights at 6.6LBS from this link if the pendulum bob is 8.5 inch or more.
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-parts/clock-weights.html
Clock needs 1 weight at 6.6LBS and two weights at 4.7LBS from this link if the pendulum bob less than 8.5 inch wide
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-parts/clock-weights.html
The heaviest weight would go on your right as you face the clock.
The lightest weight will go on your left as you face the clock.
The middle is light or heavy depending on the bob diameter.
(The larger bob diameters require more weight in the center.)
Thank you !
Hi That clock takes three chains at 46.5 LPF at this link https://www.clockworks.com/product/grandfather-grandmother-clock-chain
James
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I have an old K09/100cm Kieninger movement that needs replacing What is the replacement movement for this clock?
See this link for the replacement: https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement If you have any questions please email us at Clockworks@clockworks.com
Thank you !
Please see this link for the replacement unit: https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement Please email us any questions. Clockworks@clockworks.com
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do all k series triple chime movements use the same self adjusting verge
the newer models are all auto beat. many of the older models are not auto beat but have the adjustment built right onto the crutch.–Bob
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will the ks verge work with the k series triple chime movement. do all series k movements use the same verge.
Yes, the SKS verge will work with the K series Kieninger unit. they do not all use the same crutch/verge. some of the older versions had a different style than what is used on todays movements. incompatible with each other.–Bob
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is there a Keininger with a second function
Looking to replace a 82K with 116 cm, triple chime, 12 rod movement.
Would you suggest the MSU13 or the KKU26 or perhaps another? The key difference in the aforementioned two movements appears to be the 2.5 vs. the 2.0mm.
Hi, please order the Kieninger K series with triple chime, cable driven, 116cm selections from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement|
James
What is the replacement for a 3206x
Please order the Kieninger K series with the triple chime / cable driven / 116cm options selected from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
It will be the same unit as that one but brand new
James
Quality movement!
I recently inherited a seth thomas grandfather clock model 4523 with an A451-006 movement. The center cable is broken and I do not know the length / type of replacement cable to purchase. Can you give me any idea how to proceed with the repair.
That Seth Thomas clock movement number converts to Kieninger clock movement K series number as seen at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-movement/seth-thomas-clock-movement.html
Is really a Kieninger
https://www.clockworks.com/product-category/clock-movements/mechanical-movements/kieninger-clock-movement
K series
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
That takes a Kieninger cable of around 100 inches from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/genuine-replacement-cable-for-grandfather-clocks
James
I have a new (never used) original Kieninger Westminster movement kit (3 chains) with a plate side of 16 x 23 cm (74 model?). However, the pendulum leader is missing. Can you supply it?
This one
https://www.clockworks.com/product/kieninger-clock-pendulum-leader
James
What do I need to replace my Sligh 05 k 116 cm, with three weights
Please order the Kieninger K series from this link with 116cm selected
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James
Hello
I have a new clock to me. It has an 03 K 116m movement. Would u know if it has the night chime silence function?
Henry
How do I attach a cable to the clock
On the newer style K series there are steel clips hanging from the bottom of the clock movement. It has a slot the end of the cable goes into, and it slides down so the cable end can rest in the hole.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a Harold Miller Jonathan grandfather clock WITHOUT a pendulum. Inside cabinet dimension 17: Movement is Keinninger model SKS12 I want to order a brass Lyre model pndulum.. Can you help
James Reske
Hi
Please order a lyre style pendulum for a Kieninger 116cm clock movement from the link below.
The bob diameter would need to be selected, This is the round disk at the bottom of the pendulum.
https://www.clockworks.com/product/kieninger-lyre-clock-pendulum
The bob diameter needs 2 inches on each side to swing back and forth, so the inside case width would need to be wider than this. So if the case is 12 inches wide on the inside, the maximum bob diameter would be 6 1/2 inches wide for example.
Or please order the wood stick pendulum in the same way from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/wood-stick-pendulum-for-hermle-clocks
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com