261-080 Hermle Clock Movement
261-080 Hermle Clock Movement
261-080 Hermle Clock Movement
261-080 Hermle Clock Movement

261-080 Hermle Clock Movement

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261-080 Hermle Clock Movement

The 261-080 Hermle Clock Movement runs 8 days on a single wind up. It has one bell on the top. 261-080 Hermle Clock Movement and will strike out the top of the hours, and then once for the half hour.

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261-080: $225.00
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Hermle 261 clock movement

This is a nice chain driven wall clock movement. The screw or nail in the wall will have to take some weight so be sure to anchor it well. There are two weights hanging on this movement.

Each weighing close to 5 lbs each. Dutch style clocks with the pear weights were known for using this unit. Subsequently it is a good replacement for the same using the 261-080 movement.

The movement

Correspondingly, if you order the clock movement, you are ordering just that. The movement comes with the chains, hand nut, leader and suspension spring.

These units do not include the clock weights, pendulum, dail, hands or chimeblock.

The Hermle 261 clock movement support

This Hermle 261 clock movement is an easy install as it mounts with only two screws underneath. Once the weights and pendulum are off, and the hands out of the way, there are only two screws underneath the movement to remove.

The movement comes out and the new one goes in. Comes with instructions and a factory 3 year warranty. Now even if there are questions long after the warranty expires, even years later, if you have a question we will answer and help with the clock.

This is your advantage from making your purchase from a family of clock makers with literally 100 years of experience. Alternate choice of course being making the purchase from a place that knows nothing about what they sell.

The speed

Movement restoration instead of getting the new one will cause to spend 2 or 3 times the cost of the new movement. Restoration of the old unit can't possibly be happen to the point of being in a better condition than a brand new one.

Get the movement in a few days, instead of waiting a few months. The movement up and running in a week or two, done completely by yourself. We ship everyday from MA USA, there is no delay and no waiting.

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About Hermle Clock Movements

Hermle clock movements are among the finest movements made in the modern times. The German made Hermle units typically work night and day for 30 years without much complaint.

To go and get it restored like normally would with any clock after a long time, it is found that is cost is high. This is for good reason as it can be a large task to restore it.

But as seen, since its a modern day unit (Post War German) it can be available new for a very good price.

Get a new movement instead of a fixed up old one, get it in 3 days instead of 6 months. Save hundreds of dollars doing it also.


Movement grades

All the Hermle clock movements Clockworks offers is the best grade. In other words there are a couple styles some units have that are not as good as others. There are various movements that have more than one grade.

Some units can have plastic for the hour hand tube and the next wheel down, instead the better brass. Meanwhile the number is the same for both grades. In other words there is the economy grade and there is the full grade, on some movement series.

Please know that Clockworks will only ship the best grade Hermle clock movements available, every time.

What will be received

Each one of the these fine Hermle clock movements come already oiled, will come with the hand nut also.

If it is a pendulum style clock, it will come with the suspension spring and the pendulum hanger (leader).

If its a weight driven clock, it will come with new chains or cables and with pulleys.

So this will be the movement with its hammer assemble on.

This is the complete movement that comes out of the clock. No weights, pendulum, chime block, hands, dial all this is already present usually.

Upon ordering Hermle Clock Movements

When placing an online order a receipt will be emailed provided the correct email address is entered. If no receipt, please check the spam folder for the receipt from us.

On the receipt is the link to click for the instructions for the product. The Hermle clock movements ships from Huntington, MA 01050 USA and sometimes from other locations also. The movements go out the next business day unless there is something we have to do to it such as a regear.

The Hermle clock movement ships out UPS or sometimes FedEx. Movements rarely ship via USPS unless there is a special request or an international customer.

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Hermle Clock Movement Identification

Most important is the identification of the Hermle clock movement and it requires locating the numbers on the back plate of the movement itself.

This can be done by removing access panels, sticking a phone inside and taking a picture, or even a mirror. Use any possible means to get the number of the Hermle clock movement. This information is not in the manual that came with the clock or on the wood case.

On the back plate of the Hermle clock movement there are numbers such as 451-050 94 cm. These numbers indicate everything there is to know about that particular mechanical Hermle clock movement.

Identification is the first step

In order to purchase a new Hermle clock movement, the old number has to match up with the new one. In short, the new movement will be exactly the same.

It is not a knock off. Generally speaking, all of the existing clock components will fit the new movement. Proper identification of the Hermle clock movement is important when troubleshooting, ordering parts, or discussing compatible components.

Thus, when contacting us it is imperative to correctly reference the number on the backplate of the movement. If there is any confusion, send us a picture of the back plate, as close and as clear as possible, and we can help identify which Hermle clock movement is needed.

A new Hermle clock movement is best

To clarify, as previously discussed in several sections, a new Hermle clock movement is always best. A new unit is a fraction of the price of an overhaul.

The clock will be up and running much faster than waiting months for an overhaul to be completed. The new Hermle clock movement will last another 30 years. This is not possible with a restored unit.

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Mechanical Clock Movement Wear

Mechanical clock movement wears out after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky.

By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the brass plates of the movement. So, when this happens, the clock movement will not run correctly.

This is when the movement will need a cleaning at least, or be replaced. Of course, a brand new movement is always the best option.

What wear and where

Look at the old clock movement, and see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round.

With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.

Invisible clock movement wear

This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function.

To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one.

However, once the movement starts having problems due to the oblong pivot holes, something will need to be done. The clock will never stay running otherwise.

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New Clock Movement Benefits

New clock movement benefits far outweigh the benefits of a restoration. This section will explain why that is and what the best course of action is to get your clock working.

Servicing the movement

Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement.

The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.

Every time the movement needs to have work done on it or needs bushings, it will last less and less time before it needs attention again. So another new clock movement benefit is that this would not happen.

The repair process is expensive because it takes time to separate the plates, remove all the gears, do the necessary work, and then put them all back together again.

This process may need to be redone if not perfect the first time. The turn around time to complete an overhaul on a clock movement could be anywhere from 1 to 3 months, and in some extreme cases, a year.

It is a slow moving venture that costs twice as much as a new movement would. If a new clock movement is not available, then this is the best, and only, way to handle a clock repair.

Replacing with a new clock movement

If the clock movement is still in production, it is far better to just get the new clock movement. Mass production makes the movement so affordable it will cost a fraction of the price of the repair work.

The new clock movement will be the same one but brand new and ready to run 30 years without much complaint. There is absolutely no way to repair an old clock movement so that it is better than new.

Even the best clockmaker using the best equipment cannot make the clock movement better than a new one.

A new clock movement is a factory fresh restart. The clock will be like it was originally when you first made the purchase from the store. The new clock movement will be made by the same people, with the same machines, and the clock movement is the same.

It is not a close replica or made somewhere else besides Germany. It is the same movement. Not a knock off or replica. So wouldn't it make sense to get the new clock movement instead of chasing the old?

The choice is clear and obvious. The new movement will cost a fraction of the price and the clock is up and running in no time.

Movements That Would Need a Repair or an Overhaul

If a new clock movement is not possible, then a repair is most likely the only option. However we will try to convert it to a new clock movement that is close and easy to adapt.

If it is not an easy one to adapt, or would take too much case work, then the best solution is to have us work on it. Another clock movement to consider having restored instead of replacing it is the tubular bell, which is a high end movement.

The price of a tubular bell new clock movement makes an overhaul more attractive. This is due to the high price on the new clock movements which is over $1600.

Usually the price is less for the new unit but instead these new clock movements are more costly than the overhaul by Clockworks anyway.

We can charge a much lower amount for the complete overhaul on these units. Ultimately the choice is yours. There is a good argument in both directions that makes sense on these expensive new clock movements.

Clockworks = The best repair service

We would love to do the clock movement overhaul here at Clockworks and we do the best job. There are two ways to fix clocks; the easy way and the hard way. We only repair clock movements the hard way with no short cuts.

Even with new clock movements, we inspect them and make sure all is well before shipping them out. It is even more important for us to do your repair than another company because we do not go to your house. There is no one being intrusive in your home and possibly damaging your clock case.

The clock movement itself is the only item that gets sent to us. No components need to be sent since we have everything else here such as weights, dials and pendulums. It is a great advantage to have Clockworks work on your clock movement for this fact alone.

A clock supply depot such as us does not need to wait for parts. We possess everything we could possibly need to complete a thorough, professional clock repair right here. If a new clock movement is not possible, then this repair is your best and only option.

The new movement

New clock movement benefits usually do indeed outweigh the repair option. The movement will already have lubrication with clock oil so there is no need to oil it.

The new clock movement comes with cables and pulleys, or chains, the leader, and suspension spring.

This is everything that comes out when you remove the two screws that are under the clock movement, besides the dial and weights.

Once you get the hands and the clock dial out of the way (instructions are sent via email) it's only a matter of removing the two screws from underneath.

The new clock movement can then be put in by someone with experience in 10 or 15 minutes. A person with no experience will take longer, but the point is that it isn't hard to do. This is definitely a new clock movement benefit.

There are some instances where a clock case was made in an annoying way that makes it more difficult, but for clock movements that were in a mass production this is not the situation. This relates more to a few individual clockmakers who's design of the case makes it more tricky to get the new clock movement in or out.

Summary of New Clock Movement Benefits

A new clock movement is typically less than half the cost of an overhaul.

It will also be on its way to the customer instantly instead of months later. A new clock movement will last the longest of any other choice.

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Hermle Clock Movement Aliases

Hermle produces clock movements but the use of aliases is quite prevalent. The movement could have a stamp with any name but really it will be made by Hermle.

Some companies bought so many movements that they were able to get their name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.

The best Aliases in Disguise

Seth Thomas and Mason and Sullivan had not only their name, but also their own internal numbering system.

Their stamp and number was on the movement instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to have a conversion to the real number. Correspondingly, this is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart.

However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.

Best to replace the movement

It is best to replace the clock movement if either of these names are on the movement automatically. Of course, do not have to think and decide if a repair is better, the answer is a simple no. These companies went out of business a long ago and the life of the unit is over.

Ordinarily, the lifetime is 25 - 30 years before it needs an overhaul or replacement. In fact, if ST or Mason Sullivan is on the movement that would indicate the clock is about 40 years old or more.

The other Hermle Clock Movement Aliases are easy

All in all, Hermle Clock Movement Aliases on other clocks use only their name, and not their own internal numbering system on the Hermle movements. So basically if the clock is of post war German origin just look at the number and forget the name.

Additionally, the numbers will indicate what movement it is. If it is a Hermle movement there are 3 or 4 digits then a hyphen, and then 3 more digits. For example, 1161-853 or 340-020 or 351-060. If the numbers look like this it is made by Hermle.

Other Names Used

  • Hamilton
  • S. Larose
  • Mason & Sullivan
  • Welby
  • Pearl
  • Tally Industries
  • Bulova
  • Seth Thomas
  • Howard Miller
  • Sligh

Hermle Number Examples

Below are some typical examples of the Hermle clock movement numbering system. If the clock numbers are similar to this, it is made by Hermle.

  • 451-050 94cm
  • 340-020
  • 140-070
  • 451-030 66cm
  • 341-020 45cm
  • 1151-050 114cm
  • 451-053 94cm
  • 1161-853 114cm
  • 141-070 45cm
  • 351-050 55cm
  • 1161-850 94cm
  • 241-070 94cm
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Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation

Above all, a Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains the clock movement. This is an important first step when ordering a new clock movement.

Thus, Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers.

Then a dash (-) follows and then some more numbers. For example: 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and so forth.

So, if the clock says something like 1161-053 drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. Then this will go to the page where the 1161-053 is as well as the rest of the 1161 series.

Hermle Clock Movement Directory

HermleHermle Clock Movement Directory, Number starts with.....

130+131+132 140+141 241
261340+341 350+351
451 461+471 1050+1051
1151 1161 1171
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If Not Listed

If the Hermle clock movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we may be able to create it out of what exists. However, we need to know the movement number.

So please email the movement number. Of course a picture of the back plate is also helpful. Moreover, if the movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers it may be made by someone else.

Additionally, the mechanical movement identification page will assist with determining who made the clock. In any event, this is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only.

261 Hermle Clock Movement

To get a replacement 261 Hermle Clock Movement all you need are the numbers off of the back plate. If the numbers match then the 261 Hermle Clock Movement matches.

Assistance = 800-381-7458

If the clock is a pendulum unit, be sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.

261-080 Hermle Clock Movement

The 261-080 Hermle Clock Movement runs 8 days on a single wind up. It has one bell on the top. 261-080 Hermle Clock Movement and will strike out the top of the hours, and then once for the half hour. This high quality German movement comes oiled and includes its leader, suspension spring and hand nut. Removal of this movement is easy and we provide instructions for the installation. This 261-080 Hermle Clock Movement is in stock and can ship today. We are full time clock makers and retailers both, so if you need any assistance with install we can help.

Additional information

Weight2 lbs
CM Length

23cm, 31cm, 45cm

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3 months ago

Hello, I am building a replica of this Sam Edwards clock which is on the attached link. https://www.delaneyantiqueclocks.com/clocks/clock/samuel-edwards-gorham-maine-spectacular-wooden-gear-tall-clock-2604 Obviously the mechanism won’t be the same but I have been advised to fit a Hermle 261-080, what I need to know is which pendulum we need to go with it, a 23cm, 31cm or the 45cm length. Thank you.

3 months ago

We need to know what diameter bob we will need thank you then we will look a bit harder at one complete order for the whole setup.

3 months ago

Hello again, the information you supply is invaluable to us. Two questions here, the bob, will it hit the clock wall when it swings? The inside measurement for the lower casing where it will swing is 12 1/2″ wall to wall and also what diameter for the bob? Thank you. We are slowly getting our stuff together to order.

3 months ago

Well thats an answer and a half! Very pleased I asked the question. Yes it will need a different face of which we are not particularly concerned about we will make our own to suit. We have our own sawmill which we cut some 100+ year old home grown oak up on for the job. I bought John A Nelson’s book ‘Clockmaking’ some years ago and ever since seeing that particular clock in it have wanted to build one. I dare say we will be in touch at some stage. Thanks for the reply.

Christopher Pratt
Christopher Pratt
3 months ago

What weights do I need to drive this movement? It is in a Zaandamm style clock.

11 months ago

261-080 55cm movement. Manufactured in 72. Can I replace this with a 45cm movement or is there an alternative.

11 months ago

I have a clock looks exactly like the Frans Hermle 261-080b Dutch Atlas wall clock……the movement has the following stamp:
Will the 261-080 Mechanism work in this clock?????

11 months ago

I have a clock looks like the Frans Hermle 261-080b
I am interested in new movement. 261-080 looks like the same movement. My numbers don’t match,
Stamp on movement is as follows:
Will this movement work???

11 months ago

Sent photos to clockworks.com
Is that correct?

Brady L
Brady L
11 months ago

The end of the chain with the weights are all the way up and I am not able to pull them down. They seem stuck. Is there an easy fix for this? Thanks!

Mike B
Mike B
1 year ago

How do you get the hour hand off? 261-080b

Mike B
Mike B
1 year ago

I need a pendulum for the 261-080 23 cm 137 428 wall clock. Do you know where I can purchase one?

Ken Glaeser
1 year ago

The back of my clock says 261-080 B will this movement work in my cock. It is also 31cm

Ken Glaeser
1 year ago

Thank you for the response. The hammer for the bell looks a lot different then mine does. Can I send you a picture of the hammer? It has a couple of different bends to it, plus my inside guts to not have brackets on the front. The mechanism is attached from the bottom and then the hands hold the mechanism stable to the face. I am not a clock repair person but thought maybe I could do this myself as there is not a clock repair service in my part of town. I would have to take it to Denver. Is there a video available that I could get or watch that could help me with the repair?

1 year ago
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Hi all, I purchased a Franz hermle clock, the serial number is 261-080A i mounted in the wall but i couldn’t get it working, i check the mechanics at the back and find out the suspension spring is broken in two, can any one help me to find the correct replacement?

Ivon Boyer
Ivon Boyer
1 year ago

What is a CM

2 years ago
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great quality movement

T. Desira
T. Desira
3 years ago

Are there any differences between a Hermle model 261-080A to a 261-080 clock movement. The pendulum length is stated as 31 cm for the model 261-080A movement on the clock