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1161 Hermle Clock Movement Notes
The 1161 Hermle Clock Movements are great that is why there is so many made. They work night and day for 30 years without much complaint. So here is some information on these fine German made units.
Names on the Movement
The name maybe a number of makers on the movement, but it was made by Hermle not them. It may say Howard Miller, or Ridgeway, or Sligh, or many other names. If the number on the clock movement starts with 1161- its really made by the Hermle company. They let these companies to have there name on the movement instead of Hermle.
Chain or Cable Drive
This movement was made in both cable driven and also chain driven styles. The 1161-853 is the most popular and the most produced Grandfather clock movement in the world. When ordering a new movement it will come with the chains or cables with the pulleys.
Hermle movement 1161-853 Clock Weights
This clock movement takes three clock weights to run. The weights should be close to 8 or 10lbs, and does not have to be exact. Even though it does not have to be the exact weight, here is the exact weight specification from the factory. If the pendulum bob is less than 8 1/2 inches wide, it will take two at 7.7LBS and one at 9.9LBS. If the pendulum bob is 8 1/2 inches in diameter or larger, it takes two weights at 9.9LBS and one at 7.7LBS. Often they will have a 10 1/2 inch bob with the two at 7.7 and one at 9.9 and the customer says it ran 30 years like that.
Weight PlacementThe placement for the clock weights on this series is the following. The heavy weight will go on your right as you face the clock if one heavy and two light. If there is two heavy weights and one light weight, the light one will go on your left as you face the clock. So what this means is the middle time train weight is variable light or heavy depending on pendulum bob diameter.
1161 Hermle Clock Movement Songs
This is a triple chime unit that plays out a melody on the quarter hours and then on the top of the hour it will strike out whatever times the hour is. The songs this one plays choice of the following. Westminster, Saint Micheal, or Wittington and also a silent option. For an additional cost is it able to have an auto night shut off switch (ANSO), this will make the clock quiet from 10pm to 7am on its own without your intervention.
Please note the factory will give a three year warranty. However we are clock makers here at Clockworks.com and we have been doing this sort of thing for a long time in this family (over 100 years of experience). If you have some sort of question or concern in whatever amount of time, we are not going to turn down a response, we answer whatever questions even a decade later, it really does not matter. We take care of our customers in whatever way we can. The movement comes with instructions and any questions beyond the instructions can be emailed, chatted, or called in.
Hermle Clock Movement Identification
Most important is the identification of the Hermle clock movement and it requires locating the numbers on the back plate of the movement itself. This can be done by removing access panels, sticking a phone inside and taking a picture, or even a mirror. Use any possible means to get the number of the Hermle clock movement. This information is not in the manual that came with the clock or on the wood case. On the back plate of the Hermle clock movement there are numbers such as 451-050 94 cm. These numbers indicate everything there is to know about that particular mechanical Hermle clock movement.
Mechanical Clock Movement Wear
Mechanical clock movement wear after years go by because the oil turns solid. With age, the mechanical clock movement's oil solidifies and becomes black and sticky. By the time 20 or 30 years go by, the oil has solidified and is creating wear on the brass plates of the movement. So, when this happens, the clock movement will not run correctly. This is when the movement will need a cleaning or be replaced. Of course, a brand new movement is always your best option.
What wear and where
If you look at your old clock movement, you will see holes in the brass plates where there are small pivot arbors sticking into these holes. These pivots are what the gears of the clock ride upon and as the pivots spin in the solidified oil, this makes the holes oblong instead of round. With the pivot holes oblong, the holes are pinching the pivots and creating resistance in the gear train. With the solidified oil and the pinched pivots, the clock will eventually stop working or chiming.
Invisible clock movement wear
This wear takes place in the holes that are in the brass plates and is hard to identify sometimes. These holes in the brass plates become oblong instead of round and this pinches the pivot arbor going into it. Between this, and the solid oil, the clock ceases to function. To have this repaired is an expensive and long process. To have a mechanical movement serviced can cost two times as much or even three times the amount of the new one. However, once the movement starts having problems due to the oblong pivot holes, something will need to be done. The clock will never stay running otherwise.
Hermle Clock Movement Aliases
Hermle produces clock movements but the use of aliases is quite prevalent. The movement could have a stamp with any name but really it will be made by Hermle. Some companies bought so many movements that they were able to get their name on the movement instead of Hermle. The following is only a partial list of names that could be on the clock movement.
The best Aliases in Disguise
Seth Thomas and Mason and Sullivan had not only their name, but also their own internal numbering system. Their stamp and number was on the movement instead of the Hermle number. Since it is not a Hermle number, the number would need to have a conversion to the real number. Correspondingly, this is done with the Mason and Sullivan chart, or the Seth Thomas conversion Chart. However the Seth Thomas chart is not very accurate, please see instructions on that page.
New Clock Movement Benefits
Getting the movement worked on
Clocks need to have fresh oil after 10 years or so. Then, after 20 or 30 years, a full break down of the movement is necessary. This is all well and good and can be done with the old movement. The movement will run for another 5 or 15 years with no issues but then it will be time to do it again. So obviously this is a new clock movement benefit.
Hermle Clock Movement
The numbers on the back plate of the 1161 Hermle Clock Movement is everything one needs to get a replacement. If the numbers match then the 1161 Hermle Clock Movement matches. Please sure to select the proper CM length that matches the old unit.
- Brand New from Germany
- Plate size 140 x 200mm
- Chain or Cable Driven
- Triple Chime
- 1161 Hermle Clock Movement
- A fraction of the price of an overhaul
- Should last 25-30 years, an overhaul would not
- Instructions and expert support
- Hermle Clock Movement of Germany
1161-850 Hermle Clock Movement
1161-850 Hermle Clock Movement is a triple chime chain or cable driven unit with three weights. This is a rectangle shaped movement with the movement plate size of 140 x 200mm and takes a size #8 crank (If cable).
Ordering a Hermle Clock Movement
The numbers off of the back plate of the movement itself are needed when ordering a Hermle clock movement. The numbers are matched up so the new movement will be exactly the same as the old one. Replacing the movement is a fraction of the price of a repair. It is also the fastest way to get the clock up and running again.
Clock movement removal and installation
Removing and installing the clock movement requires the most basic tools. If you can change the spark plug on your lawn mower, this will be a breeze. All of the Hermle clock movements are in stock and ship immediately. We are full time clock makers and retailers. This means we can help you from start to finish. If you need assistance in picking out the correct Hermle clock movement, installation or troubleshooting, we can help. Please do not hesitate to ask.
Matching the CM when ordering
This note only applies if your Hermle clock movement has a pendulum. You will need to match up the CM length from the back plate of your old unit to the new one. The options in the drop down menu ultimately indicate stock items that are available. However, if there is a CM number you need that is not listed, we can usually create it by changing some gears. If this is the situation please give us a call 800 381 7458. There is an extra fee for regearing the movement. Usually this is an additional fee of $30 to $40.
Replacing a movement is less costly than an overhaul. The movement will last another 25 years before needing any work. Since it is still in production, and offered at a very reasonable price, it makes sense to replace the movement. The clock will be problem free right away, instead of months. Plus it will inevitably last longer than an overhaul. There is no way you can get better than brand new. So please make the wise decision of replacing whenever possible.
Hermle Clock Movement Directory Explanation
Above all, a Hermle Clock Movement Directory is to get to the correct page that contains the proper clock movement. This is an important first step when ordering a new clock movement. Thus, Hermle mechanical movements have numbers on the back plate starting with the below few numbers. Then a dash (-) follows and then some more numbers. For example: 340-020 131-070 1161-853 351-020 and so forth. So, if the clock says something like 1161-053 drop the second half and click the 1161 button below. Then this will bring up the page where the 1161-053 is as well as the rest of the 1161 series.
Hermle Clock Movement Directory, Number starts with.....
If Not Listed
If the old Hermle clock movement is not found on these pages we may still have it as a conversion or we may be able to create it out of what exists. However, we need to know the movement number. So please email your movement number. Of course a picture of the back plate is also helpful. Moreover, if your movement numbers do not look like the Hermle movement numbers it may be made by someone else. Additionally, the mechanical movement identification page will assist you with determining who made the clock. In any event, this is for post WW2 modern mechanical clock movements made in Germany only.