Kieninger Clock Movement Identification
Kieninger clock movement identification
The identification process is the first step to replace a Kieninger clock movement or any other components. To begin with, start with the movement number in order to purchase a new clock movement and to see the price and what it includes.
Also, these numbers are essential to get compatible components for the clock. Examples of some components include pendulums, dials, hands, keys, cranks, chime blocks, mounting screws, weights, pulleys or chains.
Decoding Kieninger clock movements
For example, let's say the movement numbers are 81 K 116cm.
- 1981 = If it is an on older unit, the 81 would be the year it was made. On new units this number is not the year but only an internal engineering code.
- K = The K is the movement series. This is the basic raw movement plate size and internal gear configuration.
- 116CM = This is the pendulum length, in centimeters, from the top of the movement all the way down to the bottom of the rating nut. This is true only for the smallest 4 1/2 inch bob diameter.
Dating the Kieninger movement
In the above description, 81 is the date, however this is not always true in later years. After a certain date that first number is no longer the date that it was made. Rather that first number became an engineering code that has nothing to do with the date.
So it may or may not be the date code, ignore this as it is not pertinent to replacing the unit. There is no longer a solid way to date the Kieninger clock movement unless there is a stamp on the back plate.
We can help
The new movement will fit into the clock case just as the old one did. Keep using the same components such as the dial, pendulum, chime block and weights.
If it is a weight driven clock it will come with the chime hammers as well as chains or cables. If this decoding process is confusing, just email the numbers or a picture to us. We are happy to help with figuring out the best course of action. Similarly, Kieninger clock movement questions and ordering can be done by phone as well.
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I have a Kieninger grandfather clock that needs weights misplaced while in transition
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a howard Miller clock andf they do not know who made the movement. the movement is stamped:
86 Made in west germany
1151-053HS
94cm
66.00
Do you know this movement?
8 day / german made / chain driven / triple chime / by Hermle clock company / made in 1986
For sale new at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-1151-053-clock-movement-by-hermle
Ignore the HS
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I need help identifying the correct movement replacement for my grandfather clock. Sligh, 06K100cm
Please order the Kieninger K series from this link with triple / cable / 100cm
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I just purchased a Kieninger & Obergfell westminster grandfather clock made in Germany with the following number below the Kieninger & Obergfell name on the brass plate: 2899. I may be needing parts. Can you tell me the date it was made and what do I need to provide to ensure correct parts? Thank you in advance, Dan Ford
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
The only number as stated in my original message is “2899” and is just below the marking “made in Germany”. Thanks in advance. Dan Ford
Shall need some pics of this one, the number is not known.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hi James I have sligh grandfather clock with a kieninger 02 k 116cm…..I found this clock at a salvage yard for $150…..the case cleaned up beautifully albeit with at few blemishes..
With the works, I noticed that the cables were overlapping on the drums, I was able to release the drum lock and remove cables, upon reinstalling cables on drum and winding to the overwind lock, I have about a 7” cable loop with the weight wheel on under the movement, is this too long or do I need to adjust the overwind gear to allow the the weights to travel closer to the clock works base? What would the correct distance
I cleaned and oiled as you have suggested here on your excellent website…..clock is working amazingly.
Sorry to be long winded! Appreciate your insight
Thanks Jeff
7 inches is a about right, or maybe alittle less, whatever makes the weights not bonk anything in the upper levels. As far as the stop works, if you have the UP set right to stop where you want, the down will take care of itself.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Thanks James for the prompt reply and info, I will let the clock run for a week and is if I get the 7/8 days of operation before rewind time.
Truly appreciate your website…..wealth of information for us want a be clockmakers!
Jeff
What clock mechanism do you recommend to replace a vintage 1968 Mason & Sullivan L50T clock mechanism????????
I built the walnut clock case in 1967 from plans sold by Mason & Sullivan, Osterville, Mass.. I bought & installed the clock mechanism L50T from Mason & Sullivan in 1968. Though difficult to see & read, the back plate of the mechanism contains only the following: Original Keininger, Made in Germany, a ‘gear wheel icon’ inscribing an A over letters KC and below the aforesaid info are what appears to be 12/71.
The mechanism is a chain-weight powered triple chime; selection of Westminster, St. Michael, and Whittington chimes.
The mechanism has been oiled annually but it has never been cleaned.
The clock ran faithfully from 1968 to November 2023 when it stopped on its own.
Repair or Replace time ???………………Warren
Though difficult to see & read, the entire back plate of the clock movement contains only the following: Original Keininger, Made in Germany, No (0) jewels unobluafeh (my guess at letters), a ‘gear wheel icon’ cotaining an A over letters KC and below the aforesaid info are what appears to be numbers 12/71.
That is an H series as we used to have here
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-h-series-kieninger-clock-movement
However this one is no longer made. We can restore yours instead, if you would like to send it in. Would you like details on this? All we would need is the movement alone as we have everything else as far as pendulums weights and so forth to test
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Yes, I would like to receive/review your details, including estimate of cost, for restoration. Thank you in advance.
These are typically 30 year movements at best. Time to replace.
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
i have a grandfather clock 04 k 116 cm how old is it and can i get parts
Not sure of the age, could be 2004. What do you need for this one ?
James Stoudenmire
40yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Just bought a used Kieninger Mechanical Mantle clock # 340-020 with 71 above those numbers .It rings on the quarter hour as it should but rings 3 hours ahead of the actual time at the top of the hour. It look just like the Vintage Bulova Tempus Feugit Westminster Chime 340-020 Mechanical clock with a key. Can you help me?
Made in 1971, these are 30 year units at very best, yours is over 50
Please order the 340-020 from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-340-020-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
looking for any details for a Keininger clock 2465
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
the only stamped writting is on the back is “made in germany 2465”
Seems like a Kieninger H series. What do you need for this one ?
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a Kieninger grandfather clock, movement is k 116 cm. I have the movement out for oiling, and the weight cables are kinked. what do I need to replace these, and how do I release the current cables so I can unwind and remove them (they have the plastic clear cover over the wound cable). clock was purchased in 1985.
Kieninger cable at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/genuine-replacement-cable-for-grandfather-clocks
Help putting it in at this link
https://www.clockworks.com/posts/changing-a-clock-cable
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hello,
Our Howard Miller Trieste grandfather clock has the following engraved on the back of the clock movement device:
Kieninger
Made in Germany
0219960715
Are you able to tell me the age of the clock and what the serial number means? Does the age matter?
Thank you,
marty
Cannot tell by that number. Yes age matters but only because old oil becomes solid and wears the plates. These usually run 25-40 years before worn out and to get the new one or rebuilt. Of course the new one is less money than restoring the old, and lasts longer, get it quicker back.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Thank you!
I have a limited edition 1987 Ridgeway Bicentennial grandfather clock that needs two weights. Also where is the movement id number
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I am working on a Menninger two weight 8 day clock movement. The existing weights are1583 frames each. The strike is extremely slow and will sometimes just stop mid strike. Every bushing has been replaced and all privets are perfect. The owner tells me the clock has always been a very slow striker. I’m thinking maybe the weights are not original and not heavy enough. How would I know if they are original.
Not sure, do not have the specs on that one. That would be my guess also though
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Just acquired a kieninger clock stamped with AJK (maybe) Original Kieninger
Made it Germany
No adjusted
4 / 70
What model and age would this be?
Sounds like an H series, these were most popular 40 years ago or so
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-h-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a movement given to us in 1960. an Original Kieninger with a circle an A with a shovel. and hammer . engraved small numbers are 84614. other number are 30361F. Any info on thisWhat would you like to know about this one?
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
What does it mean when a Kieninger stops at the same time every time it will run for an hour and the next hour it stops at 12 minutes to the hour.
Sounds like a tooth in a gear that rotates once an hour, that is worn or bent.
What are the numbers off of the back plate of the clock movement itself? If it is hard to get to, usually you can stick a cell phone up behind the movement and get a picture of the numbers. Or through the side access panel if there is one.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
What if it doesn’t say none that just the stamp tiny cursive original kieninger
And under that says 89039
Is it a large movement that is chain driven?
Most likely H series if so. You can email pics of this one if you like to clockworks@clockworks.com and ask this same question
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
HI, I have a mason & sullivan Grandfather clock the movement is a TU240 Moon dial 5 tubes 3 weights chain driven Westminster chimes lyre pendulum the only markings on the front plate is the number 74 Original Kieninger with a seal stamped on the plate no jewels unadjusted, This movement is supposed to have a swing of 10.25 inches it only moves 3 inches and runs fast like 14 minutes in 24 hours it has never kept good time no madder what is done to the pendulum. When it was new I took it the Mason & Sullivan co. at 39 Blossom AVE Osterville Cape Cod Mass 02655. The clock technician mounted it on the work rack the anchor arm started moving and he said there is nothing wrong here the movement it is fine. So for 25 years or so I have adjusted the time as needed. spent most of it’s life stopped. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. To the point of offering a replacement movement. I would like to know why the swing of the pendulum is only 1 inch
Yes that is the obsolete 5 tube Kieninger unit, we restore many of those because they are no longer made. We could offer an Urgos unit that will fit pretty easy also. The age is most likely around 50 years old on that one.
To slow time you only need a longer pendulum. In some instances if the advancement is excessive, it could be a worn escape wheel and when ever your not looking it goes tick tick tick tock tock tock instead of the standard tick tock like it should be.
We can swap it for the Urgos new unit, we can restore that one for you, you can buy a longer pendulum and try that instead and just oil it.
What is your pleasure
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
how do you oil a kieninger clock movement with three moving weights
Tiniest drop of oil where ever one thing spins or rubs another, is fine.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Morning i have a Kieninger chime clock has a serial No 316499 and 13CM stamped on the bottom of the workings. It was a gift to my Mother in 1956.It is 142cm long 20cm high and 13cm wide. Also has two winding holes in the front. Can you please give me any information about this clock
All I know is it is obsolete and no longer made. Made in Germany, 8 day, spring driven, time and strike clock movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
I have a Grandfather clock which I have not been able to indentify. The information stamped on the back of is: Original Kieninger Made in Germany No(0)Jewels unadjusted.
On the other side of the back plate is 06 K 100cm plus your Stamp.
Yours Sincerely, Harold.
Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Hi,
Please order the Kieninger K series with 100cm selected from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Hello:
I have a mantle clock that I think is a Kieninger model? Do not see any name markings other than a hand engraved number of KC8888T in small format on the chime frame end plate. Looking for any insight.
May be a KC? No idea I am not versed in clocks.
Hi,
Sorry to say that one is no longer available new. We can overhaul this one if you like, we only need the movement alone sent in. We can tell you how to remove it and reinstall it, help you along the way. When its done and installed it will run for years.
We start with this =
CLEANING AND OILING FOR ONLY $150
We have the best and most expensive tooling, cleaning equipment, and cleaning solutions. There is no expense spared by us when it comes to having the best equipment. With this factor and 3 generations of clock repair expertise, you can rest assure your clock works will be in the best hands it can be in.
For this unit, we will take the movement in, unpack it, and then clean it and inspect it for $150. If it passes inspection, we will oil it and test it. If this is all that is needed that is all it will cost is the $150 plus the shipping back to you. The initial $150 is non refundable and is the fee for the cleaning, inspection, and oiling and testing only. We do need to be paid for our time on this even if the clock movement is deemed unrepairable for some reason.
Please let us know if you are interested in this service by filling out the repair form at this link, https://www.clockworks.com/clock-repair-service.html because it would be an absolute pleasure to get this one shiny and working again.
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Best to ask this question by email clockworks@clockworks.com with some pics of the movement itself so I can ID the unit
James
KSU60 116 CM 354 411
Hi,
We offer these Kieninger K series clock movements
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James
I’m looking for a chime barrel for a traditional oak wall clock. States Kieninger on dial but there is nothing on movement apart from 35 cm.
It’s Westminster on 4 plus 4 rods.
I’m sure that it is all original.
Did they use movements made by other manufacturers ?
Best to email some pics of this one to clockworks@clockworks.com and ask again in that way. So I can see the unit
James
I have a K series 116 cm cable movement that keeps good time and chimes appropriately. It does not strike a consistent progression of hours. One time it may strike 5 and the next strike might be 8. Any thoughts?
This have to do with the mechanics in the front part of the movement, behind the dial. The best way to learn the mechanics of these components is to simply watch them in action.
When getting to the front of the movement by removing the dial, observe the racks motion during the strike. The rack is the saw like thing that drops down onto the snail looking thing that is part of the hour hand tube. If the rack is not connecting to the snail in a proper way, the strike will not strike the proper amount of times.
If the clock is striking the wrong number of hours some hours and not all, the snail (hour tube) must be turned slightly so the rack will fall on the snail’s humps correctly. The C clip comes off the gear it meshes with, so the hour tube can come up some and over the teeth of the other gear. The goal is to have the snail fall in the center of the hump instead of off to the side of it. If the clock strikes 12 and 1 oclock ok, then the rest will be fine.
If the rack is getting stuck on anything or if it falls behind the hour tubes “snail”, then the clock will strike the same amount of times every time, forever or some number beyond 12 times. It can fall behind the snail by changing hands, since the hour tube has the snail on it, it moves forward upon removing the hour hand. This can cause the rack to fall behind the snail and therefore does no good for counting strikes like it’s supposed to. The fix is to lift this rack with your finger and push the hour hand tube back so the rack falls on it.
My Kieninger has just stopped after 33 years since purchase in 1988. Its code number is 03 K 100cm. What movement number is equivalent to that
Please order the Kieninger K series with Triple chime, Cable driven, and 100cm options selected from this link
https://www.clockworks.com/product/new-k-series-kieninger-clock-movement
James
Once upon a time, Empire Clock sold a package containing a Kieninger wall movement. Their catalog item was 151-10-822, and was close to $1k. Is that package available anywhere today?
Not available anymore as the movement nor the dial is being made. Hermle is the way to go these days for that type of clock instead of Kieningr.
This kit
https://www.clockworks.com/product/westminster-vienna-regulator-clock-kit
OR this one
https://www.clockworks.com/product/mechanical-westminster-vienna-clock-kit
Are the closest it comes to the one your speaking of
James
Hello, I have been trying to identify a grandfather clock movement. I just bought this clock and it needs some parts for the pendulum. Plus I would really like to know more about the clock. Does anyone recognize the attached clock? I cannot find any numbers or markings on it. I can provide other views including the whole clock if that would help. Thanks in advance if anyone can assist.
Sorry the email address of my first comment goes wrong so I post it again…
This resembles an early urgos mvt., and is of UW03…. series.
Please email pics of the back of the movement to clockworks@clockworks.com for identification
James Stoudenmire
30yr Clockmaker
Author of Clockworks.com
Looks like an Urgos UW03 series clock movement to me.
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-movement/urgos-clock-movement.html
But you can be sure by getting the movement numbers off the back plate and seeing this link
https://www.clockworks.com/clock-movement.html
If I remember right the leader is this one
https://www.clockworks.com/product/urgos-grandfather-clock-leader
And the suspension is usually this one, not always, grandfather sized big
https://www.clockworks.com/product/urgos-clock-pendulum-suspension
James
I have a Kieninger clock with a number “106068” stamped under the name “Original Kieninger “
What year was it made?
After 1950 is all we know on that one. Most likely 1970s
James
Good evening, I have a Kieninger grandfather clock that I picked up at a garage sale this weekend, one of the pallets has broken off of the pendulum anchor, it looks replaceable as the pallets have set screws holding them into the anchor. The other issue is the pendulum suspension spring is sheared off, aside from these two things and the weights being over tightened which I was able to correct, it’s in decent shape.
I’m trying to find replacement parts for it. The only identification is on it is “Original Kieninger” and 12/66 also what looks to be a logo for Kieninger. What does this 12/66 mean? December 1966? What parts should fit this? I would like to be able to get it working again.
Thanks.
Best to email some pics of this one. Sounds like an H series if its chain driven with three weights. 12/66 is most likely the date, not sure until it is seen. Clockworks@clockworks.com is where to email pics
Thank you !
Clockworks Team
I have inherited a 82 R 80cm. Unfortunately the weights were lost at some point. Can you help me identify which weights go with this clock, and where I can get a replacement?
Thanks
Grant
Please email a photo or provide the movement numbers off the back plate of the clock to Clockworks@clockworks.com
See this link for help finding your movement numbers:
Identifying a mechanical clock movement — https://clockworks.crisp.help/en/article/identifying-a-mechanical-clock-movement-88buzj/
Thank you !
Clockworks Team
I have inherited a keininger skeleton clock with S 81 on the movement what does this mean
Hi
Does this mean you need a new pendulum or are you looking for parts to a current pendulum?
Wood stick or Lyre style pendulum ?